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On Dec 21, 1:43 pm, David Hartung <dhart...@quixnetnone.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Jerry Kraus wrote:
The bottom 40% have no wealth.
Why is this?
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What do you mean, "why is this"? I assume you're reply would be
"because it's what they deserve". Perhaps. Perhaps not. But, they
will fight, because they have nothing to lose. Watch. |
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David Hartung
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: ECONOMY ***BOOMING***!! - 4.9% GDP GROWTH!! |
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Jerry Kraus wrote:
| Quote: | You are spouting nonsense, and you know it. The American system is
based on theft from the poor, and little else. As a result the poor
will have to commit violence to take what is rightfully theirs. You
will get what you deserve, my friend!
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Thus you demonstrate your ignorance. |
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David Hartung
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: ECONOMY ***BOOMING***!! - 4.9% GDP GROWTH!! |
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Jerry Kraus wrote:
| Quote: | I haven't citizenship. Otherwise I would.
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Are you saying that Finland doesn't welcome immigrants?
Doesn't sound much like a paradise to me. It sounds a lot like "I got mine, you
are out of luck". |
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David Hartung
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: ECONOMY ***BOOMING***!! - 4.9% GDP GROWTH!! |
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Jerry Kraus wrote:
| Quote: | On Dec 21, 1:43 pm, David Hartung <dhart...@quixnetnone.net> wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:
The bottom 40% have no wealth.
Why is this?
What do you mean, "why is this"? I assume you're reply would be
"because it's what they deserve". Perhaps. Perhaps not. But, they
will fight, because they have nothing to lose. Watch.
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When you can understand why the bottom 40% have no wealth, you will have gone a
long way toward developing a solution.
By the way, are you aware that that the Poor and destitute in the USA are better
off than most people in the world today? |
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Jerry Kraus
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: ECONOMY ***BOOMING***!! - 4.9% GDP GROWTH!! |
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On Dec 21, 2:21 pm, David Hartung <dhart...@quixnetnone.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Jerry Kraus wrote:
On Dec 21, 1:43 pm, David Hartung <dhart...@quixnetnone.net> wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:
The bottom 40% have no wealth.
Why is this?
What do you mean, "why is this"? I assume you're reply would be
"because it's what they deserve". Perhaps. Perhaps not. But, they
will fight, because they have nothing to lose. Watch.
When you can understand why the bottom 40% have no wealth, you will have gone a
long way toward developing a solution.
By the way, are you aware that that the Poor and destitute in the USA are better
off than most people in the world today?
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They're better off than most people in the world David. But they're
worse off than most poor people in the industrialized world. And they
know it. Because the rich in the U.S. exploit the poor. And they
know it. Which is why, my freind, you are in for a fight!
The solution is simple, as I have said. Jobs and education through
properly regulated government programs. Anything else is propaganda
for the rich. |
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David Hartung
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: ECONOMY ***BOOMING***!! - 4.9% GDP GROWTH!! |
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Jerry Kraus wrote:
| Quote: | On Dec 21, 2:21 pm, David Hartung <dhart...@quixnetnone.net> wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:
On Dec 21, 1:43 pm, David Hartung <dhart...@quixnetnone.net> wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:
The bottom 40% have no wealth.
Why is this?
What do you mean, "why is this"? I assume you're reply would be
"because it's what they deserve". Perhaps. Perhaps not. But, they
will fight, because they have nothing to lose. Watch.
When you can understand why the bottom 40% have no wealth, you will have gone a
long way toward developing a solution.
By the way, are you aware that that the Poor and destitute in the USA are better
off than most people in the world today?
They're better off than most people in the world David. But they're
worse off than most poor people in the industrialized world. And they
know it. Because the rich in the U.S. exploit the poor. And they
know it. Which is why, my freind, you are in for a fight!
The solution is simple, as I have said. Jobs and education through
properly regulated government programs. Anything else is propaganda
for the rich.
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Do yo have any idea why America's poor are poor? |
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Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:47 am Post subject: Re: ECONOMY ***BOOMING***!! - 4.9% GDP GROWTH!! |
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Jerry Kraus wrote:
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On Dec 21, 1:19 pm, "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )"
tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:
On Dec 21, 12:30 pm, "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )"
tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:
On Dec 21, 12:18 pm, "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )"
tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:
On Dec 21, 11:57Â am, "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )"
tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
"theloneranger...@aol.com" wrote:
On Dec 20, 10:45�pm, "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )"
tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:
On Dec 20, 10:21 am, "theloneranger...@aol.com"
theloneranger...@aol.com> wrote:
Yup.......Despite all the Democrat and Media Attempts to Talk DOWN the
Economy, it just keeps BOOMING Along..........Heehee.........Ain't It
GRAND?.........
"Q3 GDP Growth Unrevised At 4.9%, In Line With Estimates
12/20/07
(RTTNews) - The Commerce Department released its final report on gross
domestic product in the third quarter on Thursday, showing that the
pace of GDP growth for the quarter was unrevised compared to the
preliminary estimate.
The report showed that GDP increased at an annual rate of 4.9 percent
in the third quarter compared to the 3.8 percent growth seen in the
second quarter. Economists had expected GDP growth to remain unchanged
at 4.9 percent."
Top 1% controls 40% of wealth in the U.S. �Top 10% controls three-
quarters of wealth. �Bottom 40% has 1% of wealth. �Can you spell CLASS
WAR?
But how much "wealth" do the bottom 40% have? If the top people own a
lot of businesses, essentially they are investing, what harm is that to
the other people? Rich people are important to a properly functioning
economy. Someone has to be rich so all the money isn't spent on DVD
players.
Money loses it's meaning when everybody has Lots Of It, Bill..........
A lot related to the size of the economy. Remember when the B Ark folks
decided to use leaves as money but come spring there was an inflation
problem so they burned down all the deciduous trees on three continents?
There are solutions if you are resourceful.
Sometimes solutions require government assistance. Or, government
assistance can make solutions much more readily available. Why rule
out this option? What is the purpose of the government, if not to
help people?
The first purpose is to protect us from external threats. There is some
question whether or not government is the best primary mechanism for
helping people. I think that it isn't. That doesn't mean that government
at various levels, preferably closer to the people, doesn't have some
role.
I think that it's plain that family is the most powerful mechanism we
have for dealing with most of the various problems that are currently
largely being foist off on government. I watch "The Grapes of Wrath",
for example, and I see evil people exploiting the poor, and that is bad,
but I also see good people working together to survive, first at the
family level, and then with friends and neighbours and the like.
Why are recent immigrates from Asia often well off in little more than a
generation? Because they often bring their families and work with them
to build a better future. That's often lost in America where everyone
wants to make it entirely on his own. It should be noted that that sell
made zillionare Bill Gates came from an already rich family.
In that case, you condemn people from poor families to poverty. This
doesn't sound like an efficient use of human capital.
1) The current scheme doesn't seem terribly effectual and yet your only
answer is to increase it.
2) Simply adding up the money that many so-called poor people earn in a
life time suggests that had they saved more of it, they could do what I
was suggesting supra, build better lives for their families. This isn't
a new idea.
3) So the question might be, how to get the poor to invest.
The poor have no money to invest.
But they buy DVD players.
In Denmark and Finland, the poor
have much more ability to move into the middle class, because the
government helps them with jobs and education.
Cite the upward mobility in those two countries against some lack of it
in the US.
The problems with the
American system are:
1. The government spends only a very small proportion of GDP on
helping the poor, compared to other industrialized nations.
Thre is a massive redistribution network in place in the US from those
who create and have to those who don't create and therefore don't have.
You claim it isn't working, so your answer is more of the same.
2. A culture of corruption in the U.S. government, so that social
service agencies focus on enriching themselves and their employees,
rather than on providing social services.
Oh good grief.
The solutions are:
1. Much higher taxes on the wealthy.
Attack those who produce, drive them out of teh country so they can
avoid confiscatory taxes.
2. Use of tax revenues to provide jobs and education, or compulsion
of the rich through tax shelters to provide funds for jobs and
education.
The rich invest, this provides more jobs and the need for more workers.
Taxing too much on the rich defeats that.
You are spouting nonsense, and you know it.
I certainly don't know it. |
| Quote: | The American system is
based on theft from the poor, and little else.
Why is there so much redistribution by government of tax money from the |
rich to the poor?
| Quote: | As a result the poor
will have to commit violence to take what is rightfully theirs.
What is rightfully theirs? Do you deny the right to own your property, |
land, speed boats?
| Quote: | You
will get what you deserve, my friend!
I didn't even know I was your friend. |
| Quote: | If you are interested in correcting the problem, here is a detailed
article from Denmark, dealing with the real problems of poverty, in
the real world.
http://www.hha.dk/nat/workshop/Kbj0508.pdf
Try posting a short quote from something instead of just dumping. |
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+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous" |
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Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:49 am Post subject: Re: ECONOMY ***BOOMING***!! - 4.9% GDP GROWTH!! |
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Jerry Kraus wrote:
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On Dec 21, 1:41 pm, David Hartung <dhart...@quixnetnone.net> wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:
On Dec 21, 12:30 pm, "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )"
tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:
On Dec 21, 12:18 pm, "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )"
tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:
On Dec 21, 11:57Â am, "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )"
tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
"theloneranger...@aol.com" wrote:
On Dec 20, 10:45�pm, "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )"
tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:
On Dec 20, 10:21 am, "theloneranger...@aol.com"
theloneranger...@aol.com> wrote:
Yup.......Despite all the Democrat and Media Attempts to Talk DOWN the
Economy, it just keeps BOOMING Along..........Heehee.........Ain't It
GRAND?.........
"Q3 GDP Growth Unrevised At 4.9%, In Line With Estimates
12/20/07
(RTTNews) - The Commerce Department released its final report on gross
domestic product in the third quarter on Thursday, showing that the
pace of GDP growth for the quarter was unrevised compared to the
preliminary estimate.
The report showed that GDP increased at an annual rate of 4.9 percent
in the third quarter compared to the 3.8 percent growth seen in the
second quarter. Economists had expected GDP growth to remain unchanged
at 4.9 percent."
Top 1% controls 40% of wealth in the U.S. �Top 10% controls three-
quarters of wealth. �Bottom 40% has 1% of wealth. �Can you spell CLASS
WAR?
But how much "wealth" do the bottom 40% have? If the top people own a
lot of businesses, essentially they are investing, what harm is that to
the other people? Rich people are important to a properly functioning
economy. Someone has to be rich so all the money isn't spent on DVD
players.
Money loses it's meaning when everybody has Lots Of It, Bill..........
A lot related to the size of the economy. Remember when the B Ark folks
decided to use leaves as money but come spring there was an inflation
problem so they burned down all the deciduous trees on three continents?
There are solutions if you are resourceful.
Sometimes solutions require government assistance. Or, government
assistance can make solutions much more readily available. Why rule
out this option? What is the purpose of the government, if not to
help people?
The first purpose is to protect us from external threats. There is some
question whether or not government is the best primary mechanism for
helping people. I think that it isn't. That doesn't mean that government
at various levels, preferably closer to the people, doesn't have some
role.
I think that it's plain that family is the most powerful mechanism we
have for dealing with most of the various problems that are currently
largely being foist off on government. I watch "The Grapes of Wrath",
for example, and I see evil people exploiting the poor, and that is bad,
but I also see good people working together to survive, first at the
family level, and then with friends and neighbours and the like.
Why are recent immigrates from Asia often well off in little more than a
generation? Because they often bring their families and work with them
to build a better future. That's often lost in America where everyone
wants to make it entirely on his own. It should be noted that that sell
made zillionare Bill Gates came from an already rich family.
In that case, you condemn people from poor families to poverty. This
doesn't sound like an efficient use of human capital.
1) The current scheme doesn't seem terribly effectual and yet your only
answer is to increase it.
2) Simply adding up the money that many so-called poor people earn in a
life time suggests that had they saved more of it, they could do what I
was suggesting supra, build better lives for their families. This isn't
a new idea.
3) So the question might be, how to get the poor to invest.
--
"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata."
+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous"- Hide quoted text -
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The poor have no money to invest. In Denmark and Finland, the poor
have much more ability to move into the middle class, because the
government helps them with jobs and education. The problems with the
American system are:
1. The government spends only a very small proportion of GDP on
helping the poor, compared to other industrialized nations.
2. A culture of corruption in the U.S. government, so that social
service agencies focus on enriching themselves and their employees,
rather than on providing social services.
The solutions are:
1. Much higher taxes on the wealthy.
2. Use of tax revenues to provide jobs and education, or compulsion
of the rich through tax shelters to provide funds for jobs and
education.
If Finland is so much better, why don't you move there and become a Finnish
taxpayer?- Hide quoted text -
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I haven't citizenship. Otherwise I would. It's paradise compared to
the U.S. You assholes are looking for violence in this country. And,
you're going to get it.
Geez, Jerry, you are the one who is posting pissed. |
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"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata."
+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous" |
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Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:49 am Post subject: Re: ECONOMY ***BOOMING***!! - 4.9% GDP GROWTH!! |
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David Hartung wrote:
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Jerry Kraus wrote:
The bottom 40% have no wealth.
Why is this?
Because by definiation, whoever is poor doesn't have "any" wealth. |
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"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata."
+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous" |
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Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:06 am Post subject: Re: ECONOMY ***BOOMING***!! - 4.9% GDP GROWTH!! |
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Jerry Kraus wrote:
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On Dec 21, 2:21 pm, David Hartung <dhart...@quixnetnone.net> wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:
On Dec 21, 1:43 pm, David Hartung <dhart...@quixnetnone.net> wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:
The bottom 40% have no wealth.
Why is this?
What do you mean, "why is this"? I assume you're reply would be
"because it's what they deserve". Perhaps. Perhaps not. But, they
will fight, because they have nothing to lose. Watch.
When you can understand why the bottom 40% have no wealth, you will have gone a
long way toward developing a solution.
By the way, are you aware that that the Poor and destitute in the USA are better
off than most people in the world today?
They're better off than most people in the world David. But they're
worse off than most poor people in the industrialized world. And they
know it. Because the rich in the U.S. exploit the poor. And they
know it. Which is why, my freind, you are in for a fight!
Do you really think that the poor in America are ready to rebel and burn |
cars in the streets? I doubt it, mots of them own cars and don't want
theirs torched. They also have cable TV, video games, DVD players, cell
phones and other things that people who poor in other countries wouldn't
dream they could own.
| Quote: | The solution is simple, as I have said. Jobs and education through
properly regulated government programs. Anything else is propaganda
for the rich.
You want make work jobs and "education"? What do you think that K |
through 12 and college/uni is? That first part is free to any American,
so if you didn't learn anything, who should we blame?
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"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata."
+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous" |
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Mitchell Holman
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:14 am Post subject: Re: ECONOMY ***BOOMING***!! - 4.9% GDP GROWTH!! |
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David Hartung <dhart1ng@quixnetnone.net> wrote in
news:eb2dnYf_S_Axq_HanZ2dnUVZ_h7inZ2d@comcast.com:
| Quote: | Jerry Kraus wrote:
On Dec 21, 2:21 pm, David Hartung <dhart...@quixnetnone.net> wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:
On Dec 21, 1:43 pm, David Hartung <dhart...@quixnetnone.net> wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:
The bottom 40% have no wealth.
Why is this?
What do you mean, "why is this"? I assume you're reply would be
"because it's what they deserve". Perhaps. Perhaps not. But, they
will fight, because they have nothing to lose. Watch.
When you can understand why the bottom 40% have no wealth, you will
have gone a long way toward developing a solution.
By the way, are you aware that that the Poor and destitute in the USA
are better off than most people in the world today?
They're better off than most people in the world David. But they're
worse off than most poor people in the industrialized world. And they
know it. Because the rich in the U.S. exploit the poor. And they
know it. Which is why, my freind, you are in for a fight!
The solution is simple, as I have said. Jobs and education through
properly regulated government programs. Anything else is propaganda
for the rich.
Do yo have any idea why America's poor are poor?
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Because Scripture requires it. Matthew 26:6-13 |
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Mitchell Holman
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: Re: ECONOMY ***BOOMING***!! - 4.9% GDP GROWTH!! |
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"Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:476C6CA9.C893873C@yahoo.co.uk:
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Why is there so much redistribution by government of tax money from the
rich to the poor?
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Because the US is a civilized country, unlike the
third world hellholes you admire. |
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Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:41 am Post subject: Re: ECONOMY ***BOOMING***!! - 4.9% GDP GROWTH!! |
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Mitchell Holman wrote:
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"Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:476C6CA9.C893873C@yahoo.co.uk:
Why is there so much redistribution by government of tax money from the
rich to the poor?
Because the US is a civilized country, unlike the
third world hellholes you admire.
I don't admire any third world hellholes. |
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"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata."
+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous" |
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Mitchell Holman
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:44 am Post subject: Re: ECONOMY ***BOOMING***!! - 4.9% GDP GROWTH!! |
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"Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:476CA39A.DD286553@yahoo.co.uk:
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Mitchell Holman wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:476C6CA9.C893873C@yahoo.co.uk:
Why is there so much redistribution by government of tax money from the
rich to the poor?
Because the US is a civilized country, unlike the
third world hellholes you admire.
I don't admire any third world hellholes.
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Why not? They are free of the regulations/tax burden
environmentalism/feminism/liberal-media you abhor. |
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Jerry Kraus
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: ECONOMY ***BOOMING***!! - 4.9% GDP GROWTH!! |
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On Dec 21, 3:57 pm, David Hartung <dhart...@quixnetnone.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Jerry Kraus wrote:
On Dec 21, 2:21 pm, David Hartung <dhart...@quixnetnone.net> wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:
On Dec 21, 1:43 pm, David Hartung <dhart...@quixnetnone.net> wrote:
Jerry Kraus wrote:
The bottom 40% have no wealth.
Why is this?
What do you mean, "why is this"? I assume you're reply would be
"because it's what they deserve". Perhaps. Perhaps not. But, they
will fight, because they have nothing to lose. Watch.
When you can understand why the bottom 40% have no wealth, you will have gone a
long way toward developing a solution.
By the way, are you aware that that the Poor and destitute in the USA are better
off than most people in the world today?
They're better off than most people in the world David. But they're
worse off than most poor people in the industrialized world. And they
know it. Because the rich in the U.S. exploit the poor. And they
know it. Which is why, my freind, you are in for a fight!
The solution is simple, as I have said. Jobs and education through
properly regulated government programs. Anything else is propaganda
for the rich.
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