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Genaro wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:45:34 -0800, ChasNemo wrote:
On Dec 16, 2:14 pm, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:38:58 -0800, ChasNemo wrote:
On Dec 16, 12:26�pm, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:39:36 +0000, Lt Gen Al E. Gator wrote:
lorad...@cs.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 15, 11:33 pm, nob...@nowheres.com (the_blogologist) wrote:
Mr.Smartypants <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 7:29 pm, tom...@aol.com wrote:
America is successful BECAUSE the awkward coexistence of its liberal
and conservative values, not despite it.
Successful!!!???
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Amerikkka is a total failure.
Note: the KKK was created by ex-confederate soldiers and the confederate
states of course, all voted democrat. When the KKK peaked at about 6
million members the Klan existed almost entirely in states that voted
heavily democrat. So lets all give Democrats credit for our KKKism.
Ancient history that doesn't have anything to do with anything is a
waste of time.
Get smart or get lost.
they're desperate, clutching at straws as their philosophy collapses under
the weight
of the sheer stupidity it took to formulate it
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Dismissing history handicaps your understanding of current events.
Selective memory delegitimizes it. Ever heard of Robert Byrd, the current
democrat senator from West Virginia and former klansman who still uses the
word nigger?
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How is Byrd relevant to modern events, moron? <snicker
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Byrd's voting record as a current senator makes him relevant to
modern/current events. Take a look if you wish.
http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Robert_Byrd.htm
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One one Senator's voting record is relevant to modern/current events
exactly how? You haven't answered the question yet.
Your insistence on blathering about ancient minor history makes you an
irrelevant fool. Gospel.
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If a senator's voting record isn't relevant to current events, how do you
evaluate candidates for office before you cast your vote? I'm assuming you
do vote.
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This line of talking-point is indicative of just how out of amunition
republicans are today. It became a favorite of washed-out third-tier
smear-artist Laura Ingram who began floating it after Republican
Favorite (and former segregationist Dixicrat Presidential candidate)
Senator Strom Thurmond was safely in his grave.
The talking point attempts to fool people into believing that the
former segregationists (with rare exceptions, such as Byrd) were not
entirely absorbed into the core fabric of the Republican party after
LBJ championed and signed into law the Civil Rights act of 1964, in
response to which the Southern States voted in a solid Republican
block for the first time in history.
This is the very simple way to dismantle this feeble attempt at myth
making.
Simply ask, which states faught a war to defend their right to own
slaves and later embraced the confederate flag as the symbol of their
defiance to de-segregation, and are not those very states the CORE of
the modern Republican party?
The reason West Virginia retains Byrd, despite the racist views he
espoused nearly half a century ago, are simple. He has senate
seniority, which weilds a lot of clout, pretty much along the same
lines as why Massachussettes holds onto Ted Kennedy, despite his being
out of step with the current political views of his constituents.
When you are a small state (like West Virginia) with very little
political clout on your own, it is very hard to get the populace to
dis-embrace someone who can get your voice heard in Washington.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:22 am Post subject: Re: Why The Bush Machinery Is So Terrified of Huckabee and R |
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On Dec 16, 4:36 pm, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:45:34 -0800, ChasNemo wrote:
On Dec 16, 2:14 pm, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:38:58 -0800, ChasNemo wrote:
On Dec 16, 12:26�pm, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:39:36 +0000, Lt Gen Al E. Gator wrote:
lorad...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:7680e967-107b-4938-a199-d66494fa4681@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 15, 11:33 pm, nob...@nowheres.com (the_blogologist) wrote:
Mr.Smartypants <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 7:29 pm, tom...@aol.com wrote:
America is successful BECAUSE the awkward coexistence of its liberal
and conservative values, not despite it.
Successful!!!???
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Amerikkka is a total failure.
Note: the KKK was created by ex-confederate soldiers and the confederate
states of course, all voted democrat. When the KKK peaked at about 6
million members the Klan existed almost entirely in states that voted
heavily democrat. So lets all give Democrats credit for our KKKism.
Ancient history that doesn't have anything to do with anything is a
waste of time.
Get smart or get lost.
they're desperate, clutching at straws as their philosophy collapses under
the weight
of the sheer stupidity it took to formulate it
-------
Dismissing history handicaps your understanding of current events.
Selective memory delegitimizes it. Ever heard of Robert Byrd, the current
democrat senator from West Virginia and former klansman who still uses the
word nigger?
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How is Byrd relevant to modern events, moron? <snicker
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Byrd's voting record as a current senator makes him relevant to
modern/current events. Take a look if you wish.
http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Robert_Byrd.htm
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One one Senator's voting record is relevant to modern/current events
exactly how? You haven't answered the question yet.
Your insistence on blathering about ancient minor history makes you an
irrelevant fool. Gospel.
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If a senator's voting record isn't relevant to current events, how do you
evaluate candidates for office before you cast your vote? I'm assuming you
do vote.
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One old Senator's voting record (for which he apologized long ago) is
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Genaro
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:50 am Post subject: Re: Why The Bush Machinery Is So Terrified of Huckabee and R |
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:31:54 -0800, tomax wrote:
| Quote: | Genaro wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:45:34 -0800, ChasNemo wrote:
On Dec 16, 2:14 pm, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:38:58 -0800, ChasNemo wrote:
On Dec 16, 12:26�pm, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:39:36 +0000, Lt Gen Al E. Gator wrote:
lorad...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:7680e967-107b-4938-a199-d66494fa4681@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 15, 11:33 pm, nob...@nowheres.com (the_blogologist)
wrote:
Mr.Smartypants <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 7:29 pm, tom...@aol.com wrote:
America is successful BECAUSE the awkward coexistence of
its liberal and conservative values, not despite it.
Successful!!!???
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Amerikkka is a total failure.
Note: the KKK was created by ex-confederate soldiers and the
confederate states of course, all voted democrat. When the
KKK peaked at about 6 million members the Klan existed almost
entirely in states that voted heavily democrat. So lets all
give Democrats credit for our KKKism.
Ancient history that doesn't have anything to do with anything
is a waste of time.
Get smart or get lost.
they're desperate, clutching at straws as their philosophy
collapses under the weight
of the sheer stupidity it took to formulate it
-------
Dismissing history handicaps your understanding of current
events. Selective memory delegitimizes it. Ever heard of Robert
Byrd, the current democrat senator from West Virginia and former
klansman who still uses the word nigger? -------- Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -
How is Byrd relevant to modern events, moron? <snicker
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Byrd's voting record as a current senator makes him relevant to
modern/current events. Take a look if you wish.
http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Robert_Byrd.htm -------- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
One one Senator's voting record is relevant to modern/current events
exactly how? You haven't answered the question yet.
Your insistence on blathering about ancient minor history makes you
an irrelevant fool. Gospel.
-------
If a senator's voting record isn't relevant to current events, how do
you evaluate candidates for office before you cast your vote? I'm
assuming you do vote.
This line of talking-point is indicative of just how out of amunition
republicans are today. It became a favorite of washed-out third-tier
smear-artist Laura Ingram who began floating it after Republican
Favorite (and former segregationist Dixicrat Presidential candidate)
Senator Strom Thurmond was safely in his grave.
The talking point attempts to fool people into believing that the former
segregationists (with rare exceptions, such as Byrd) were not entirely
absorbed into the core fabric of the Republican party after LBJ
championed and signed into law the Civil Rights act of 1964, in response
to which the Southern States voted in a solid Republican block for the
first time in history.
This is the very simple way to dismantle this feeble attempt at myth
making.
Simply ask, which states faught a war to defend their right to own
slaves and later embraced the confederate flag as the symbol of their
defiance to de-segregation, and are not those very states the CORE of
the modern Republican party?
The reason West Virginia retains Byrd, despite the racist views he
espoused nearly half a century ago, are simple. He has senate
seniority, which weilds a lot of clout, pretty much along the same lines
as why Massachussettes holds onto Ted Kennedy, despite his being out of
step with the current political views of his constituents.
When you are a small state (like West Virginia) with very little
political clout on your own, it is very hard to get the populace to
dis-embrace someone who can get your voice heard in Washington.
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I think you've read much more into my chat with Nemo than was actually
there but I'll address your reasoned points since you find it necessary to
bring them up.
Yes, I did introduce Sen. Byrd into the discussion not to portray
democrats as segregationists but rather to make the point that history, as
you pointed out, is relevant to today. Of course blacks were considered
property before, during, and even after the Civil War by southern states.
Then there was the period when blacks were tolerated but not really
accepted by most states. Fast forward to today where blacks are given just
enough to ensure their democratic votes. Segregation has morphed into
manipulation and there are plenty of poor, inner-city black democrats to
prove it. Democrats have been fighting the war on poverty for far too long
to be believed when you consider cities like New Orleans prior to Katrina,
Philadelphia, Detroit, Baltimore, even the nations' capital itself. Then
there's the smear of black politicians and office holders such as Rice,
Steele, even Obama just to name a few.
While I agree with your reason WVA keeps putting Byrd back in office, I
think to many he has become an embarassement. I think the ol' boy is
barely making it when I see footage of him on the senate floor. I'll
respect his service to the US since his KKK days but if earmarks are his
only value to his state, maybe it's time for him to retire as some of his
much younger colleagues are now doing.
Finally, I'm not here to fool anyone into believing anything. That would
get me in trouble real quick as there are many here far more intelligent
than myself. I left off with Nemo by asking him how he evaluates
candidates if he dismisses their voting records as irrelevant. If you are
defending Nemo's line of talking point, perhaps you'd care to answer that
one.
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Genaro
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:26 am Post subject: Re: Why The Bush Machinery Is So Terrified of Huckabee and R |
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:22:32 -0800, ChasNemo wrote:
| Quote: | On Dec 16, 4:36 pm, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:45:34 -0800, ChasNemo wrote:
On Dec 16, 2:14 pm, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:38:58 -0800, ChasNemo wrote:
On Dec 16, 12:26�pm, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:39:36 +0000, Lt Gen Al E. Gator wrote:
lorad...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:7680e967-107b-4938-a199-d66494fa4681@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 15, 11:33 pm, nob...@nowheres.com (the_blogologist)
wrote:
Mr.Smartypants <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 7:29 pm, tom...@aol.com wrote:
America is successful BECAUSE the awkward coexistence of
its liberal and conservative values, not despite it.
Successful!!!???
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Amerikkka is a total failure.
Note: the KKK was created by ex-confederate soldiers and the
confederate states of course, all voted democrat. When the
KKK peaked at about 6 million members the Klan existed almost
entirely in states that voted heavily democrat. So lets all
give Democrats credit for our KKKism.
Ancient history that doesn't have anything to do with anything
is a waste of time.
Get smart or get lost.
they're desperate, clutching at straws as their philosophy
collapses under the weight
of the sheer stupidity it took to formulate it
-------
Dismissing history handicaps your understanding of current
events. Selective memory delegitimizes it. Ever heard of Robert
Byrd, the current democrat senator from West Virginia and former
klansman who still uses the word nigger?
-------- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
How is Byrd relevant to modern events, moron? <snicker
-------
Byrd's voting record as a current senator makes him relevant to
modern/current events. Take a look if you wish.
http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Robert_Byrd.htm
-------- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
One one Senator's voting record is relevant to modern/current events
exactly how? You haven't answered the question yet.
Your insistence on blathering about ancient minor history makes you
an irrelevant fool. Gospel.
-------
If a senator's voting record isn't relevant to current events, how do
you evaluate candidates for office before you cast your vote? I'm
assuming you do vote.
-------- Hide quoted text -
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One old Senator's voting record (for which he apologized long ago) is
such a big deal to you. Explain why or STFU.
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I see now from your remarks that I didn't make myself clear enough. I'm
not referring to Byrd's voting record during his days as a racist. In fact
the record linked to above only goes back to 1994.
I'll assume you do indeed evaluate a candidate by his "current" voting
record and simply dismissed Byrd because of his old history.
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Hertz Donut
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:12 am Post subject: Re: Why The Bush Machinery Is So Terrified of Huckabee and R |
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"Lt Gen Al E. Gator" <Al@CrocsBiteaBillyToday.com> wrote in message
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lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message
news:7680e967-107b-4938-a199-d66494fa4681@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 15, 11:33 pm, nob...@nowheres.com (the_blogologist) wrote:
Mr.Smartypants <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 7:29 pm, tom...@aol.com wrote:
America is successful BECAUSE the awkward coexistence of its liberal
and conservative values, not despite it.
Successful!!!???
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Amerikkka is a total failure.
Note: the KKK was created by ex-confederate soldiers and the confederate
states of course, all voted democrat. When the KKK peaked at about 6
million members the Klan existed almost entirely in states that voted
heavily democrat. So lets all give Democrats credit for our KKKism.
Ancient history that doesn't have anything to do with anything is a
waste of time.
Get smart or get lost.
they're desperate, clutching at straws as their philosophy collapses under
the weight
of the sheer stupidity it took to formulate it
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You know nothing of philosophy. You are intimately acquainted with
stupidity. Even so, you answer is completely wrong, as are every single one
of your worthless posts. On the other hand, you did manage to post a
message without using the word hillbilly...guess you must be getting even
more stupid (oh, I forgot.,..you would say stupider...)
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Hertz Donut
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:15 am Post subject: Re: Why The Bush Machinery Is So Terrified of Huckabee and R |
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"Lt Gen Al E. Gator" <Al@CrocsBiteaBillyToday.com> wrote in message
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"Genaro" <genaro@bat.hit> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.16.15.07.10.855422@bat.hit...
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 04:16:35 -0800, kyldlt wrote:
On Dec 15, 4:04 pm, "theloneranger...@aol.com"
theloneranger...@aol.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 12:05?pm, tom...@aol.com wrote:
You remind me of Chevy Chase on the old SNL, "Jane, you poor, misguided,
ignorant, slut."
Using your characterization of those associated with the current
President, you
won't mind if I refer to ALL leftards as lying philanderers.
chevy chase has a 90% approval rating among Americans, the other 10% are
republican,
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See...that is what I mean about you and math...you simply should not post
anything that has numbers in it. Your numbers are completely wrong....
| Quote: | feeble and simple minded hillbilly losers,failures, and fuckups
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Yet you felt it necessary to drag your family into the thread....
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you can call us whatever you want,
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How about ignorant...
but don't call for help,
You wouldn't help anyway...you care about nothing but your own worthless,
ignorant ass.
and don't come
It's okay, I don't like dog food anyway. Tell your momma that you can have
my share of the Alpo she serves you for dinner....
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:32 am Post subject: Re: Why The Bush Machinery Is So Terrified of Huckabee and R |
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On Dec 16, 9:26 am, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
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Dismissing history handicaps your understanding of current events.
Selective memory delegitimizes it. Ever heard of Robert Byrd, the current
democrat senator from West Virginia and former klansman who still uses the
word nigger?
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When you edit history to mke a point that i diametrically opposed to
reality, you're simply a liar. You're a liar.
Racist southerners shunned the Republican party for 100 years because
it was the party of Lincoln, the geat emancipator. That changed with
the "Southern Strategy" where Republicans courted racist southerners
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:54 am Post subject: Re: Why The Bush Machinery Is So Terrified of Huckabee and R |
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Genaro wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:31:54 -0800, tomax wrote:
Genaro wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:45:34 -0800, ChasNemo wrote:
On Dec 16, 2:14 pm, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:38:58 -0800, ChasNemo wrote:
On Dec 16, 12:26�pm, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:39:36 +0000, Lt Gen Al E. Gator wrote:
lorad...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:7680e967-107b-4938-a199-d66494fa4681@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 15, 11:33 pm, nob...@nowheres.com (the_blogologist)
wrote:
Mr.Smartypants <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 15, 7:29 pm, tom...@aol.com wrote:
America is successful BECAUSE the awkward coexistence of
its liberal and conservative values, not despite it.
Successful!!!???
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Amerikkka is a total failure.
Note: the KKK was created by ex-confederate soldiers and the
confederate states of course, all voted democrat. When the
KKK peaked at about 6 million members the Klan existed almost
entirely in states that voted heavily democrat. So lets all
give Democrats credit for our KKKism.
Ancient history that doesn't have anything to do with anything
is a waste of time.
Get smart or get lost.
they're desperate, clutching at straws as their philosophy
collapses under the weight
of the sheer stupidity it took to formulate it
-------
Dismissing history handicaps your understanding of current
events. Selective memory delegitimizes it. Ever heard of Robert
Byrd, the current democrat senator from West Virginia and former
klansman who still uses the word nigger? -------- Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -
How is Byrd relevant to modern events, moron? <snicker
-------
Byrd's voting record as a current senator makes him relevant to
modern/current events. Take a look if you wish.
http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Robert_Byrd.htm -------- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
One one Senator's voting record is relevant to modern/current events
exactly how? You haven't answered the question yet.
Your insistence on blathering about ancient minor history makes you
an irrelevant fool. Gospel.
-------
If a senator's voting record isn't relevant to current events, how do
you evaluate candidates for office before you cast your vote? I'm
assuming you do vote.
This line of talking-point is indicative of just how out of amunition
republicans are today. It became a favorite of washed-out third-tier
smear-artist Laura Ingram who began floating it after Republican
Favorite (and former segregationist Dixicrat Presidential candidate)
Senator Strom Thurmond was safely in his grave.
The talking point attempts to fool people into believing that the former
segregationists (with rare exceptions, such as Byrd) were not entirely
absorbed into the core fabric of the Republican party after LBJ
championed and signed into law the Civil Rights act of 1964, in response
to which the Southern States voted in a solid Republican block for the
first time in history.
This is the very simple way to dismantle this feeble attempt at myth
making.
Simply ask, which states faught a war to defend their right to own
slaves and later embraced the confederate flag as the symbol of their
defiance to de-segregation, and are not those very states the CORE of
the modern Republican party?
The reason West Virginia retains Byrd, despite the racist views he
espoused nearly half a century ago, are simple. He has senate
seniority, which weilds a lot of clout, pretty much along the same lines
as why Massachussettes holds onto Ted Kennedy, despite his being out of
step with the current political views of his constituents.
When you are a small state (like West Virginia) with very little
political clout on your own, it is very hard to get the populace to
dis-embrace someone who can get your voice heard in Washington.
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I think you've read much more into my chat with Nemo than was actually
there but I'll address your reasoned points since you find it necessary to
bring them up.
Yes, I did introduce Sen. Byrd into the discussion not to portray
democrats as segregationists but rather to make the point that history, as
you pointed out, is relevant to today. Of course blacks were considered
property before, during, and even after the Civil War by southern states.
Then there was the period when blacks were tolerated but not really
accepted by most states. Fast forward to today where blacks are given just
enough to ensure their democratic votes. Segregation has morphed into
manipulation and there are plenty of poor, inner-city black democrats to
prove it. Democrats have been fighting the war on poverty for far too long
to be believed when you consider cities like New Orleans prior to Katrina,
Philadelphia, Detroit, Baltimore, even the nations' capital itself. Then
there's the smear of black politicians and office holders such as Rice,
Steele, even Obama just to name a few.
While I agree with your reason WVA keeps putting Byrd back in office, I
think to many he has become an embarassement. I think the ol' boy is
barely making it when I see footage of him on the senate floor. I'll
respect his service to the US since his KKK days but if earmarks are his
only value to his state, maybe it's time for him to retire as some of his
much younger colleagues are now doing.
Finally, I'm not here to fool anyone into believing anything. That would
get me in trouble real quick as there are many here far more intelligent
than myself. I left off with Nemo by asking him how he evaluates
candidates if he dismisses their voting records as irrelevant. If you are
defending Nemo's line of talking point, perhaps you'd care to answer that
one.
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Then you were coming from a more reasonable position than I
presumed.
W. Virginia's desire to keep a guy in office, despite his shortcomings
and checkered past because he keeps the cash flow coming is not
something I am celebrating, merely a fact of political expedience I am
offering in explanation.
The tendency of voters to seek idealism in our "new" Congressmen,
while settling for more pragmatic results in our "elder" Congressmen
is simple human behavior.
As for his voting record (which I presume you are presenting as
something negative in your view) it is difficult to judge the merits
of the web page you linked because of its obvious intention to
disparage his voting record and the fact it is so easy to present
lists of Senators having voted "for" or "against" just about
everything at one point or another in their political career, thanks
to the process of compromises and issues bundling that goes on in
order to get major legislation passed (the back room sort of "if you
give on this, I'll give on that" horse trading that goes on in the
Senate).
It is for this very reason that Senators have such a hard time running
for executive office, because their detractors can find evidence of
their having had multiple positions on many things, while executive
(Governors) either go on record as signing legislation or vetoing it,
always able to claim their hand was forced if they signed something
that included items they didn't like (Reagan's famous wish for a line
item veto was in regards to this).
Your observations that Byrd is an over the hill icon of an unpleasant
past are not something I would even say I disagree with. I'm just
saying it's the people of West Virginia who's opinion matters on that
subject.
Regarding your comments on race, I think the nicest thing about Obama
is the very fact his appeal tends to transcend race. Many liberals
who voted in the primaries for Jesse Jackson in 1988 or conservatives
who did that same for Alan Keys in 2000 did so usually with a very
strong consciousness of the fact they were "black" candidates of a
particular ideology. While Obama obviously has a strong appeal as an
African American success story in American politics, the tendency of
those who back him is to focus on issues, such as his consistently
anti-Iraq war position, or his stances on social issues. A similar
appeal was achieved by Colin Powel in the era preceding his
humiliatingly being used as a tool to promote false intelligence in
the run up to the Iraq war. When I served in Iraq in '91, I recall
fellow soldiers who I knew to hold racist opinions speaking of the
confidence they had in him. Seemingly small accomplishments like that
are huge in the larger scope of things.
The often slow movement toward remedying the racial injustices that
persist today are far more promoted by the existence of such examples
than by any programs, in my opinion, as you can legislate behavior,
but you can't legislate opinion, and people like Obama and Powel made
being racist harder for those who try to hold on to those beliefs.
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Genaro
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:32:59 -0800, Slo wrote:
| Quote: | On Dec 16, 9:26 am, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
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Dismissing history handicaps your understanding of current events.
Selective memory delegitimizes it. Ever heard of Robert Byrd, the current
democrat senator from West Virginia and former klansman who still uses the
word nigger?
When you edit history to mke a point that i diametrically opposed to
reality, you're simply a liar. You're a liar.
Racist southerners shunned the Republican party for 100 years because
it was the party of Lincoln, the geat emancipator. That changed with
the "Southern Strategy" where Republicans courted racist southerners
in the 60s and 70s.
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How have I edited history? The statements about Byrd are true and he has
apologized for using the "N" word. I'll bet liberal democrats would be a
hell of a lot tougher on Byrd if he was republican.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:22 am Post subject: Re: Why The Bush Machinery Is So Terrified of Huckabee and R |
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| Quote: | How have I edited history? The statements about Byrd are true and he has
apologized for using the "N" word. I'll bet liberal democrats would be a
hell of a lot tougher on Byrd if he was republican.
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Of course. That's called "Checks and Balances", and it's (generally) a part
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Clave
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:26 am Post subject: Re: Why The Bush Machinery Is So Terrified of Huckabee and R |
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"Genaro" <genaro@bat.hit> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.17.05.19.25.86485@bat.hit...
| Quote: | On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:32:59 -0800, Slo wrote:
On Dec 16, 9:26 am, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
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Dismissing history handicaps your understanding of current events.
Selective memory delegitimizes it. Ever heard of Robert Byrd, the
current
democrat senator from West Virginia and former klansman who still uses
the
word nigger?
When you edit history to mke a point that i diametrically opposed to
reality, you're simply a liar. You're a liar.
Racist southerners shunned the Republican party for 100 years because
it was the party of Lincoln, the geat emancipator. That changed with
the "Southern Strategy" where Republicans courted racist southerners
in the 60s and 70s.
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How have I edited history? The statements about Byrd are true and he has
apologized for using the "N" word. I'll bet liberal democrats would be a
hell of a lot tougher on Byrd if he was republican.
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Well duh.
If he'd tried to renounce his racism while remaining a member of the party
that embodies the modern institutionalization of it, he'd be regarded as a
*huge* asshole by the left, but not different enough from other Republican
hypocrites to matter.
Jim |
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Genaro
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: Re: Why The Bush Machinery Is So Terrified of Huckabee and R |
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:26:40 -0800, Clave wrote:
| Quote: | "Genaro" <genaro@bat.hit> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.17.05.19.25.86485@bat.hit...
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:32:59 -0800, Slo wrote:
On Dec 16, 9:26 am, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
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Dismissing history handicaps your understanding of current events.
Selective memory delegitimizes it. Ever heard of Robert Byrd, the
current
democrat senator from West Virginia and former klansman who still uses
the
word nigger?
When you edit history to mke a point that i diametrically opposed to
reality, you're simply a liar. You're a liar.
Racist southerners shunned the Republican party for 100 years because
it was the party of Lincoln, the geat emancipator. That changed with
the "Southern Strategy" where Republicans courted racist southerners
in the 60s and 70s.
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How have I edited history? The statements about Byrd are true and he has
apologized for using the "N" word. I'll bet liberal democrats would be a
hell of a lot tougher on Byrd if he was republican.
Well duh.
If he'd tried to renounce his racism while remaining a member of the party
that embodies the modern institutionalization of it, he'd be regarded as a
*huge* asshole by the left, but not different enough from other Republican
hypocrites to matter.
Jim
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And if he'd drawn racist cartoons of Sec. Rice, tossed oreo cookies at
Michael Steele, or questioned the degree of blackness displayed by Barack
Obama, would he not simply be considered nuanced and controversial?
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Clave
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: Re: Why The Bush Machinery Is So Terrified of Huckabee and R |
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"Genaro" <genaro@bat.hit> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.17.06.42.39.107719@bat.hit...
| Quote: | On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:26:40 -0800, Clave wrote:
"Genaro" <genaro@bat.hit> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.17.05.19.25.86485@bat.hit...
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:32:59 -0800, Slo wrote:
On Dec 16, 9:26 am, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
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Dismissing history handicaps your understanding of current events.
Selective memory delegitimizes it. Ever heard of Robert Byrd, the
current
democrat senator from West Virginia and former klansman who still uses
the
word nigger?
When you edit history to mke a point that i diametrically opposed to
reality, you're simply a liar. You're a liar.
Racist southerners shunned the Republican party for 100 years because
it was the party of Lincoln, the geat emancipator. That changed with
the "Southern Strategy" where Republicans courted racist southerners
in the 60s and 70s.
-------
How have I edited history? The statements about Byrd are true and he has
apologized for using the "N" word. I'll bet liberal democrats would be a
hell of a lot tougher on Byrd if he was republican.
Well duh.
If he'd tried to renounce his racism while remaining a member of the
party
that embodies the modern institutionalization of it, he'd be regarded as
a
*huge* asshole by the left, but not different enough from other
Republican
hypocrites to matter.
Jim
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And if he'd drawn racist cartoons of Sec. Rice, tossed oreo cookies at
Michael Steele, or questioned the degree of blackness displayed by Barack
Obama, would he not simply be considered nuanced and controversial?
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And if his grandmother had wheels, would she have been called a wagon?
What the fucking hell is your problem?
Jim |
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Genaro
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Why The Bush Machinery Is So Terrified of Huckabee and R |
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:48:04 -0800, Clave wrote:
| Quote: | "Genaro" <genaro@bat.hit> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.17.06.42.39.107719@bat.hit...
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:26:40 -0800, Clave wrote:
"Genaro" <genaro@bat.hit> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.17.05.19.25.86485@bat.hit...
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:32:59 -0800, Slo wrote:
On Dec 16, 9:26 am, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
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Dismissing history handicaps your understanding of current events.
Selective memory delegitimizes it. Ever heard of Robert Byrd, the
current
democrat senator from West Virginia and former klansman who still uses
the
word nigger?
When you edit history to mke a point that i diametrically opposed to
reality, you're simply a liar. You're a liar.
Racist southerners shunned the Republican party for 100 years because
it was the party of Lincoln, the geat emancipator. That changed with
the "Southern Strategy" where Republicans courted racist southerners
in the 60s and 70s.
-------
How have I edited history? The statements about Byrd are true and he has
apologized for using the "N" word. I'll bet liberal democrats would be a
hell of a lot tougher on Byrd if he was republican.
Well duh.
If he'd tried to renounce his racism while remaining a member of the
party
that embodies the modern institutionalization of it, he'd be regarded as
a
*huge* asshole by the left, but not different enough from other
Republican
hypocrites to matter.
Jim
-------
And if he'd drawn racist cartoons of Sec. Rice, tossed oreo cookies at
Michael Steele, or questioned the degree of blackness displayed by Barack
Obama, would he not simply be considered nuanced and controversial?
And if his grandmother had wheels, would she have been called a wagon?
What the fucking hell is your problem?
Jim
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No problem. Just adding some examples of the double standard immunity
advantage democrats enjoy regarding race and the still-popular perception
that democrats are all about helping minorities.
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ChasNemo
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: Why The Bush Machinery Is So Terrified of Huckabee and R |
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On Dec 17, 8:24�am, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:48:04 -0800, Clave wrote:
"Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.17.06.42.39.107719@bat.hit...
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:26:40 -0800, Clave wrote:
"Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.17.05.19.25.86485@bat.hit...
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:32:59 -0800, Slo wrote:
On Dec 16, 9:26 am, "Genaro" <gen...@bat.hit> wrote:
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Dismissing history handicaps your understanding of current events.
Selective memory delegitimizes it. Ever heard of Robert Byrd, the
current
democrat senator from West Virginia and former klansman who still uses
the
word nigger?
When you edit history to mke a point that i diametrically opposed to
reality, you're simply a liar. �You're a liar.
Racist southerners shunned the Republican party for 100 years because
it was the party of Lincoln, the geat emancipator. �That changed with
the "Southern Strategy" where Republicans courted racist southerners
in the 60s and 70s.
-------
How have I edited history? The statements about Byrd are true and he has
apologized for using the "N" word. I'll bet liberal democrats would be a
hell of a lot tougher on Byrd if he was republican.
Well duh.
If he'd tried to renounce his racism while remaining a member of the
party
that embodies the modern institutionalization of it, he'd be regarded as
a
*huge* asshole by the left, but not different enough from other
Republican
hypocrites to matter.
Jim
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And if he'd drawn racist cartoons of Sec. Rice, tossed oreo cookies at
Michael Steele, or questioned the degree of blackness displayed by Barack
Obama, would he not simply be considered nuanced and controversial?
And if his grandmother had wheels, would she have been called a wagon?
What the fucking hell is your problem?
Jim
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No problem. Just adding some examples of the double standard immunity
advantage democrats enjoy regarding race and the still-popular perception
that democrats are all about helping minorities.
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