XBOX 360 HDMI fullscreen on XBR2 60 inch?

Tom · Guest

The older XBOX 360 will not display at fullscreen on the XBR2 60 inch TV.
Does it display fullscreen with the newer XBOX 360 via HDMI port?

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JBDragon · Guest

Why are you using VGA? Why not Component? Yes you'll get Full screen using
HDMI if you have that port. If your talking about Movies, then that Depends
on what Aspect Ratio the movie was filmed in. If it's 1.78:1 or 1:85:1 then
it'll fill the whole screen. If it's something like 2.40:1 which is very
popular, especially on my HD DVD movies I seem to own, then you going to
have black bars on the top and bottom. For games you should get a full
screen. You do know that even getting a 1080i input into your 1080P HDTV
just means it'll be displayed as 1080P on your HDTV anyway right! It's
impossible for a progressive display to show a interlaced picture and so
will convert it. Wither your 360 does it or your HDTV does it, it doesn't
really matter.

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Tom · Guest

I'm using VGA because even though the xbox puts out 1080p for some games,
the tv won't accept it on the comp input.
I get full 1080p resolution via the VGA, is why, except it won't fill the
whole screen.
I know all about bars under/over and sides, but this is a border all around.
I can't justfisy $300 to eliminate those, but want full screen

This is for games period, not movuies.

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JBDragon · Guest

You do realized your 1080P HDTV can't display anything other then 1080P!
That means whatever signal that it gets input, it will still output a 1080P
display. Did you try 1080i? Same Resolution, will still be displayed on
your HDTV as 1080P. For HD DVD Movies, you'll have zero problems as they
are only 24fps, on games, if it's 30 fps your fine, a 60 fps 1080P game if
any exists you may get a minor noticeable Improvement. Either way it's
better then VGA as you'll have a full screen.

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Tom · Guest

No, the TV outputs whatever resolution is input.
Secondly, there is a big difference in 1080i vs. 1080p.
1080i is nothing more than 720p.
I bought the TV to play in 1080p.
I'll just buy a box with HDMI out.

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Sorry but a 1080P HDTV can't display a 1080i screen!!! It's Impossible.
LCD, Plasma, ect are all Progressive displays. You would have to have a
TUBE type, either direct view or Rear Projection to get a interlaced
Display. A 1080P HDTV will display everything in 1080P, Period. Do you
know that all Cable HD channels are in either 720P or 1080i, with most being
in 1080i. All those channels are really being displayed as 1080P on your
HDTV! Your HDTV Automatically scales, or whatever else it needs to do to
display a 1080P picture. With a 1080i signal, it takes the 540 even lines
and 540 odd lines, puts them together and it's shown at 1080P. This is FACT.
It's IMPOSSIBLE to display a Interlaced picture on a Progressive display,
and Visa-Vera.

Sorry, but 1080i is the exact SAME resolution as 1080P! I don't know what
your smoking. One is Progressive, the other is Interlaced. It's just a
matter on how it's displayed on the screen. 1080i is NOT 720P. Forget all
about i or P, It's 720 or 1080. Why not call a older 480i SDTV as a 240
SDTV. You don't know what your taking about. Again, on the few rare games
that are true 1080P and have a frame rate of 60 frames per second, then true
1080P output from the 360 may matter a bit. If it's only 30 frames per
second it doesn't matter at all. HD DVD's and Blu-Rays are Recorded at 24
frames per second, just like they are shown in the theaters. Because your
HDTV is doing 60 frames per second, Most HDTV's will do something called a
3:2 pull down. I think your falling for some Sony BS or something. Here's
a link you can read to clear some of this up. It explains it better then I
could. All the early 1080P HDTV's in fact couldn't even accept a 1080P
input. Nothing would output 1080P until the PS3 came along.

http://blog.hometheatermag.com/geoffreymorrison/0807061080iv1080p/

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Tom · Guest

Look, I designed computer graphics chips before and know that 1080i is NOT
the same as 1080p.
I also do not want 1080i upsclaed to 1080p.
I also know my TV displays at the resoultion it is output, but even if it
was upsclaed, it is NOT the same thing.
I play games on it and there is a huge difference in looks and performance;
already tested it all out.

Your mere suggestion that I should "forget" about the "i" and "p" is all I
need to hear to know that you haven't a clue what you are talking about and
I certainly don't have time to argue this.

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I'm telling you to forget the whole P and I for a reason. 1080 is 1080 no
no matter what you think. CRT's are Interlaced displays, LCD's, Plasma's,
etc are Progressive display's. You can NOT display a Interlace Picture on a
Progressive display, just like you can't display a Progressive picture on a
Interlaced display. It CAN'T happen. The HDTV either not Recognize the
input it's receiving and give you no picture at all, which are usually the
older HDTV's, or it will Automatically be converted however it needs to be
to be displayed. Almost all HDTV are 60 Hz, and display 60 frames per
second. Some of the new HDTV are faster, 72 frames per second I believe off
the top of my head. To use with HD DVD and Blu-Ray HD players. To get a
true 24 frames per second display which Movies are Recorded at, and using
the 3:3 frame rate, instead of 3:2 to get a better more even picture. Not
that many people notice that in those 24 frames per second, your getting 3
frames, then 2 frames, then 3 frames, then 2 frames, and on and on, to make
that 24 frames per second fill up 60 frames per second on a normal HDTV.
When you boost up the HDTV to 72 Frames per second, you can then have the HD
DVD and Blu-Ray players to 3 frames for each of the 24 frames of the movie
(3:3) which gives you a bit smoother picture. Seems to be the big thing
right now.

A 1080i HDTV is displaying Half that because it has to Display the odd lines
and then the even lines(Interlaced) to get the full picture. The ONLY time
your going to see any benefit from a true 1080P connection is with 1080P/60
content, Period. That means at this time a few games, and that's it.
There's nothing else!

On a PC using a PC monitor it's a bit different story. You can be running
at even higher Resolutions then a HDTV, on a Faster PC. Fact still remains
you can't display a Interlace Picture on a Progressive display, period. The
Progressive HDTV takes the 2 540 odd, and 540 even frames, Puts them
together to be shown all at once to give you a 1080P picture on your
Progressive display. Doing this gives you a 1080P/30 results, not the
1080P/60.

1080i is NOT up scaled to 1080P, they are the SAME THING, the SAME
Resolution. The only difference is where the conversion takes place. From
the Console (Cable box, HD DVD or Blu-Ray player, etc), or from your HDTV.
It's not Up scaled. Up scaled is going from 720P to 1080i or 1080P, that is
Up scaling. You will also have better performance outputting a 1080i
picture from the console then a 1080P, as 1080P is more work for the console
to process. It's a lot more data, which is also why you'll never see it
being broadcast over Cable or Satellite. Again this is for a true 1080P
game. Not a Normal 720P game up scaled to 1080P though the console.

Again, telling you to forget the P and I because in general, it doesn't
matter. 1080 is 1080 period. Your not going to see many 1080i HDTV's out
there these days. Only reason for that is because LCD and Plasma's these
days are the rage. Large and Thin is in. Tubes are Bulky and heavy. I
have a 42" Rear Projection 1080i Mitsubishi myself for the last 4 years. Not
thin at all, and quite heavy. My older HDTV doesn't even do 720P, not that
it could display it if even knew what it was because that's a Progressive
display format that can't truly be displayed on a Interlaced display. Like
I said before the early 1080P HDTV could not even accept a 1080P input. Had
NO idea what it even was and gave you no picture at all. That is because
like ALL 720P or 1080P HDTV, it converts what it's getting from it's Input
to be displayed on the screen. Wither it's Up converting, Down Converting,
or changing Interlaced to Progressive.

I gave you a perfect link to help clear for you the whole 1080i vs. 1080P,
and yet it seems you didn't even bother to read that either, or just think
you know it all. Maybe you work for Sony. Here's the link once again.
http://blog.hometheatermag.com/geoffreymorrison/0807061080iv1080p/

I could do a blind test on you and output a 1080i to your HDTV and 1080P to
your HDTV on a normal game and I'll bet you couldn't tell the differance at
all. How could you as they would both be displayed as 1080P on your HDTV.

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Tom · Guest

Already played at 1080i and there is a huge diff from 1080p.
That is all that matters.
None of all this text addresses my originaly question to begin with, either.

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JBDragon · Guest

That's your imagination!!! There's hardly any difference. 1080 is 1080.
You may have notice a slight flicker on the interlaced display your not
going to get on a progressive display. It's pretty hard to do a fair
comparison on a interlaced display to a progressive display. It's a
different type of display technology. One Make/Model of HDTV is going to
look different from another Make/Model of HDTV. In a fair test with equal
HDTV's, you'd be hard pressed to tell. Even now as more and more people
move to LCD's for their PC's Monitor displays, Older Tube (Interlaced)
displays can and do give you a better picture. Darker Blacks, over all
better color. Runner at higher Resolutions then a HDTV. Of coarse they are
also running at a higher refresh rate to reduce flicker. You can see this
effect when you see a PC Tube Monitor on your TV screen in the background.

Your going to be hard pressed to tell the difference from 720P to 1080P HDTV
also unless your really close and have a pretty large display. The early
low end Plasma's used to only be EDTV(Enhanced Definition) or 480P. Which
was fine at the time as DVD's are only 480P.

Fact is true HD is 720P and 1080i! 1080P falls into the so called Ultra HD
format. They took the best of 1080i which was 1080 lines of Resolution(540
odd and 540 even), and 720P for the Progressive, and got 1080P for the best
of both worlds. 1080 lines of resolution in a progressive format.

Again, it's 1080 Horizontal lines of resolution, for both 1080i and 1080P.
It's just how the displays go about displaying it. It takes 2 passes on a
interlaced display to a single pass on a progressive display to get those
1080 lines. Just like a regular SDTV 480i display does 240 odd lines and
240 even lines for a 480 interlaced display. So it went from 480 Interlaced
lines of Resolution to 1080 interlaced lines of resolution. Because most
HDTV's display 60 frames per second, your getting 60 frames on a 1080P
display and 30 frames on a 1080i display, again because it takes 2 passes to
show the whole 1080 lines. There being a HUGE difference? Not generally.
If anything a Tube type display still to this day gives a better looking
picture. Problems are they are more power hungry, heavy and bulky. LCD's
have been getting much better over the years so Ghosting problems, and
blacks that look more grayish are getting far better. Plasma's have a
better picture then LCD's, but can suffer from burn in though that's getting
to be less of a problem and are generally heavier then LCD's of the same
size. They all have their pro's and con's. 720P, 1080i, 1080P, different
types of displays and from manufacture to manufacture. It all varies. I
can just as easily say a good 1080i Display looks far better then a 1080P
display. I've seen great 720P displays with a much better picture then
cheap 1080P HDTV.

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