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Gerald Vogt
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 Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: Norton vs Zone Alarm firewalls |
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RalfG wrote:
| Quote: | "Gerald Vogt" <vogt@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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RalfG wrote:
It doesn't need to be a virus. I did encounter that one time when
accessing a web page unexpectedly triggered OE and the firewall blocked
it. A
Which means again you went to that web page to start with. It was your
action which brought you there.
Normal usage of the computer for browsing, yes. Staying off of the internet
is almost certainly the best way to avoid trouble but that's just a tad self
defeating.
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I'll never understand why many people also jump to the "stay of the
internet". No one said so. It is your conclusion that it is inevitable
to come to such "bad" web pages. And that is simply not true. You can
browse the internet and with still avoid most of those pages.
| Quote: | firewall may have the ability to block -any- application from sending
email without explicit approval. Monitoring outbound traffic also entails
Still, any application can send email without explicit approval if it
really wants to. That's the point which is usually not mentioned.
In your preferred setup nothing prevents emails from being sent. With an
appropriate firewall
the firewall can block emails from being sent without user intervention.
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Yes. The firewall may be able to block emails from send with OE without
user intervention.
It cannot prevent some malware to put some mails into the outbox which
is send out the next time the user sends something out.
And it cannot prevent some malware sending out e-mail or other data
bypassing the firewall. If you want to get something out you'll get it
out even with the firewall in place.
| Quote: | differentiating the legitimate processes from suspicious ones or spoofs.
All firewalls are not equal, but if the firewall is doing the job well
it's not enough for a process to pretend to be "iexplore.exe" in order to
pass the firewall, it has to be c:\program files\internet
explorer\iexplore.exe, with additional identifying information, be it a
specific version number, CRC etc. etc..
An what keeps the malware from using the original IE to send out its data?
In your setup nothing, with many firewalls nothing as well, however there
are firewalls
which do monitor all processes that try to start other processes.
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Many people have a browser running at all times. You don't need to start
a process. You just have to make the other process do what you want.
That's not so awfully difficult.
| Quote: | Viruses aren't smart, they're all constrained to operating within
specific program parameters. Some are more cleverly written than others
but the vast majority have already been beaten.
Yes. But that's all. A single little bit cleverer malware sends out your
credit card number through DNS. Your firewall does not help. It does not
recognize it. You still need more effective means to protect your data
which no security suite can provide.
You're basing your argument on a hypothetical malware and deficient AV and
firewall apps. Sorry, that strawman logic doesn't work. One of the reasons
for monitoring outbound traffic is precisely to stop unrecognized processes
from making connections, either to the internet or to other nodes on a LAN.
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Again. IE, OE, and other installed applications on your computer are not
unrecognized processes. ping for example is a standard application. You
can simply enter
ping VISA12341234123412340108RalfGGG.badguy.example.com
And here goes your credit card... You'll never notice. At the same time
you run another process which you let get caught by the firewall to make
the user think it is all safe and he can continue...
I don't have to use unrecognized processes to send data.
And even "unrecognized processes" can trick the firewall.
| Quote: | Firewall X might do this better than Firewall Y, Firewall Z might not do it
at all. Y may not be as good a firewall as X but it is still better than Z,
and even Z is better than nothing at all.
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Good at blocking software you have installed and use to communicate: yes.
Good at blocking malware effectively: no.
| Quote: | You say you have to install security firewall, i.e. you have to cross the
street with the security installed, i.e. at the lights. You must not cross
the street at any other place (i.e. without security) because you will be
killed, i.e. it is impossible to cross the street at any other place
except at the lights.
I never suggested certainty. The whole computer security issue is about
probabilities. There is a greater probability of being hit by traffic if you
don't use the crosswalks just as there is a greater probability of falling
victim to malware if you don't use security software.
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This is just plain wrong. I am far more safe if I open my eyes and make
sure that it is safe to cross the street then to rely on traffic lights.
Thus, why would you tell everybody to use the lights and it is
absolutely essential to use the lights when there is a far more
effective and safer method?
| Quote: | you from being killed if all you do is to cross the street at the lights
and never looking to the right or left. If you just start to walk when
it's green you'll be eventually killed. There are a lot of nice drivers
who stop at their red light but eventually you'll meet the one who does
not.
The alternative is not to rely on the lights. Don't trust the lights. The
effective security is to switch on your brain and protect yourself looking
to the left and right and making sure yourself it is safe to cross the
street at this time and at this place. This effectively
You just described using due caution.
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Which is far more effective security.
| Quote: | That's the correct analogy if you want to use the "lights". Noone ever
said you cannot cross the street. On the contrary. (I already know how you
will now adjust your analogy but...)
There's no need to adjust my analogy. You haven't yet made a compelling
argument in favour of your position.. and I doubt that accident statistics
will support your contentions either. 
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You started that analogy. I did not adjust it. You described it wrong.
The goal was to cross the street.
You use security software as aid just like traffic lights are a aid for
that.
I say you don't need the lights. You don't need the security software.
It is useless to discuss your analogy if you want the analogy to be that
not using security software equals not crossing the street. Because you
mix the aim with the tool which is supposed to help.
| Quote: | cross with the lights. I use a firewall mainly to keep
unauthorised -people- out of my PC, AV and AS software to keep out or
kill malicious software.
Anything that comes on to your computer first of all got there because of
your action, i.e. your "invitation". But none of the security suites
really deals with this fact nor
Blaming the victim?
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Yes. If a person refuses to learn about security. If a person thinks it
only has to install a software suite to protect your computer. If a
person thinks with security suite in place everything is done which one
can possibly do to have security. If someone wants to dig in the dirt
he'll get dirty. If you are concerned about the security of your
computer and data you'll learn rules how to keep secure.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: My Network Password! |
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Ken and others,
I had the same problem. From Vista Ultimate, I could not access a network
resource. I had entered the other computer name (an XP Pro in a Windows
workgroup), entered a correct user id on that computer, but an invalid
password. And I ticked the box to remember the password.
Now, I could "open" the other computer and see all of its network shares,
but none of the network shares could be opened - access was denied.
I went to user accounts, manage my network passwords - THERE WERE NO
ENTRIES. So I couldn't remove the invalid entry. I also was not prompted for
a correct entry.
Eventually, after searching everywhere in the knowledgebase, I decided to
reset the password on the user account - this deleted all stored passwords,
and I started fresh with the correct user id and password.
Does anyone know of a less drastic means to remove the offending but
invisible stored password?
Is this a bug that should be reported?
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Jim C
"kenkcj" wrote:
| Quote: | Go to Control Panel > User Accounts
Click on your account, or the account you wish to change.
On the right hand side there should be a box that says "Related Tasks" with
an option saying "Manage my network passwords"
Any passwords you want to get rid of, just click on it and hit remove.
Let me know if this helps.
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WaIIy
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:58 am Post subject: Re: Backup Software Recommendation |
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:42:31 -0800, "PT" <xyz@xyz.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I'd like recommendations for WinXP backup software which meet all the
following criteria:
1. backs up files intact (without compression or encrypting)
2. can back up to any external drive
3. scheduling can be automated
4. easy to use
5. capable of incremental backup.
6. priced under ~ $50
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I use Second Copy. The options are terrific. $29.95
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kenkcj
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: My Network Password! |
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I would say that this is definitely a bug within vista and should be
reported to microsoft. If there's a stored network password that is
completely invisible... there's something wrong there. I'm sure you could
find the information in the registry or embedded somewhere on the computer,
but that would be a huge strain just for a simple password and should be
found alot easier on the computer.
-kenkcj
"Jim" <Jim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Ken and others,
I had the same problem. From Vista Ultimate, I could not access a network
resource. I had entered the other computer name (an XP Pro in a Windows
workgroup), entered a correct user id on that computer, but an invalid
password. And I ticked the box to remember the password.
Now, I could "open" the other computer and see all of its network shares,
but none of the network shares could be opened - access was denied.
I went to user accounts, manage my network passwords - THERE WERE NO
ENTRIES. So I couldn't remove the invalid entry. I also was not prompted
for
a correct entry.
Eventually, after searching everywhere in the knowledgebase, I decided to
reset the password on the user account - this deleted all stored
passwords,
and I started fresh with the correct user id and password.
Does anyone know of a less drastic means to remove the offending but
invisible stored password?
Is this a bug that should be reported?
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Jim C
"kenkcj" wrote:
Go to Control Panel > User Accounts
Click on your account, or the account you wish to change.
On the right hand side there should be a box that says "Related Tasks"
with
an option saying "Manage my network passwords"
Any passwords you want to get rid of, just click on it and hit remove.
Let me know if this helps.
-kenkcj
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cmxl
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: Re: CD burning problem |
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Thanks, am using the cd writing wizard that comes with xp (although I do
also have nero which was installed by the pc mfr, it works fine but is not
as convenient to use as the cd writing wizard). Drive will not open either
with drive button or software eject. I suspect what's happening is what you
said, that the pc thinks there is material still waiting to be written to
the cd. If I knew what the name of that program was, maybe I could just
control alt delete it under 'processes'. Problem goes away when I reboot,
but I need to be able to control this without rebooting.
"Harry Ohrn" <harry---@webtree.ca> wrote in message
news:uLVan0HLIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| Quote: | It sounds like the drive is locked during the burn and not being released.
DLA - a common packet writing software program from Sonic is notorious for
doing this. Are you trying to open the drive using the eject button or are
you right clicking and using the "eject" option in the context menu? You
should try using the soft eject from the context menu rather than the
button on the device. Depending on the software you are using to burn with
i.e. packet writing software you may find that using the soft eject works
for you. there may be data waiting to be written held in a cache and that
is why you can't open the drive.
third party software such this freeware app can unlock a locked drive
http://www.alexnolan.net/software/driveman.htm
Select the CD device and right click. select Unlock. However you may find
that you are forced to reboot.
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"cmxl" <cmxlusegrp@xemaps.com> wrote in message
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Sometimes, when I right click on a file and SEND TO my cd drive to burn
the file to CD, the CD burner door will not open after burn has been
completed, and will not open unless PC is rebooted. Anyone else heard of
or solved this?
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xbukeye
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: XP and default email program |
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Paul, I am having this same problem and followed your instructions but the
customize screen has a dot in choose default and It doesn't give me an option
to change to Outlook express. The only time I have this problem is when I
try to send pictures, I am able to send and receive e mail using Outlook
Express. I don't want Outlook or Exchange on my computer. How do I
eliminate them?
"Paul Malbon" wrote:
| Quote: | No problem Robert! Glad to help
Have a good day!
"Robert" <Robert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0BC52F21-0E45-44D7-8800-70EDE10FE274@microsoft.com...
Paul, thank you very much. This solution did the trick. I had several
other posts with possible solutions from other people helping me out at
the
MS sections XP "General", and XP "new users", but it was your solution
that
saved the day.
I'm very grateful for your time and effort....Thanks again Paul.
Robert 12/07/05 2:15am PST
"Paul Malbon" wrote:
Try this.....
Control Panel -> Add/remove programs -> Click the 'Set program access and
defaults' button on the left hand side.
Click the custom bar (or whichever bar is selected by a dot in the radio
button) look down the list till you see 'Choose a default mail
application'
(or something similar) and select outlook express.
Viola (hopefully!)
Paul
"Robert" <Robert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1CA0E891-1970-4B97-925E-15FE7B6A16FF@microsoft.com...
Question
Can anyone please help?
How do you configure XP so Outlook Express can be the default email
program?
I've already tried changing the settings in Outlook Express itself, but
that's not working. XP always wants to use "Outlook" as the default
email
program, which automatically loads with MS Office, so you can't just
uninstall Outlook without having to uninstall MS Office altogether.
There must be some way to tweak something in XP so I could send
webpages
and
links from webpages with out XP telling me there is no profile set up
in
Outlook.
Anyone know how?
Thanks for the support
Robert 12/06/05
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: XP and default email program |
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Exchange is a type of connection, for outlook
If you dont want Outlook uninstall it by modifying your Office installation
to make outlook unavailable
"xbukeye" <xbukeye@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:EB4EB653-D743-47C0-A8C0-F1A5AB578277@microsoft.com...
| Quote: | Paul, I am having this same problem and followed your instructions but
the
customize screen has a dot in choose default and It doesn't give me an
option
to change to Outlook express. The only time I have this problem is when I
try to send pictures, I am able to send and receive e mail using Outlook
Express. I don't want Outlook or Exchange on my computer. How do I
eliminate them?
"Paul Malbon" wrote:
No problem Robert! Glad to help
Have a good day!
"Robert" <Robert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0BC52F21-0E45-44D7-8800-70EDE10FE274@microsoft.com...
Paul, thank you very much. This solution did the trick. I had
several
other posts with possible solutions from other people helping me out at
the
MS sections XP "General", and XP "new users", but it was your solution
that
saved the day.
I'm very grateful for your time and effort....Thanks again Paul.
Robert 12/07/05 2:15am PST
"Paul Malbon" wrote:
Try this.....
Control Panel -> Add/remove programs -> Click the 'Set program access
and
defaults' button on the left hand side.
Click the custom bar (or whichever bar is selected by a dot in the
radio
button) look down the list till you see 'Choose a default mail
application'
(or something similar) and select outlook express.
Viola (hopefully!)
Paul
"Robert" <Robert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1CA0E891-1970-4B97-925E-15FE7B6A16FF@microsoft.com...
Question
Can anyone please help?
How do you configure XP so Outlook Express can be the default email
program?
I've already tried changing the settings in Outlook Express itself,
but
that's not working. XP always wants to use "Outlook" as the default
email
program, which automatically loads with MS Office, so you can't just
uninstall Outlook without having to uninstall MS Office altogether.
There must be some way to tweak something in XP so I could send
webpages
and
links from webpages with out XP telling me there is no profile set
up
in
Outlook.
Anyone know how?
Thanks for the support
Robert 12/06/05
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xbukeye
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: XP and default email program |
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Thanks DL. I am just setting up a new computer and my e mail, using Outlook
Express is working fine but when I try to send pictures I get the "choose
profile" box with Outlook designated and no option to change this. If I
proceed I get the message "The form required to view this message cannot be
displayed. Contact your administrator." Then I get the Microsoft Exchange
wizard. Because of this, I uninstalled XP Office Pro but this didn"t get
rid of this problem. When I first installed Office Pro I did a custom
install of only Excel, Word and Powerpoint. Now that Office has been deleted
thru "Add and Remove Programs", what else can be done? I really appreciate
your help.
"DL" wrote:
| Quote: | Exchange is a type of connection, for outlook
If you dont want Outlook uninstall it by modifying your Office installation
to make outlook unavailable
"xbukeye" <xbukeye@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:EB4EB653-D743-47C0-A8C0-F1A5AB578277@microsoft.com...
Paul, I am having this same problem and followed your instructions but
the
customize screen has a dot in choose default and It doesn't give me an
option
to change to Outlook express. The only time I have this problem is when I
try to send pictures, I am able to send and receive e mail using Outlook
Express. I don't want Outlook or Exchange on my computer. How do I
eliminate them?
"Paul Malbon" wrote:
No problem Robert! Glad to help
Have a good day!
"Robert" <Robert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0BC52F21-0E45-44D7-8800-70EDE10FE274@microsoft.com...
Paul, thank you very much. This solution did the trick. I had
several
other posts with possible solutions from other people helping me out at
the
MS sections XP "General", and XP "new users", but it was your solution
that
saved the day.
I'm very grateful for your time and effort....Thanks again Paul.
Robert 12/07/05 2:15am PST
"Paul Malbon" wrote:
Try this.....
Control Panel -> Add/remove programs -> Click the 'Set program access
and
defaults' button on the left hand side.
Click the custom bar (or whichever bar is selected by a dot in the
radio
button) look down the list till you see 'Choose a default mail
application'
(or something similar) and select outlook express.
Viola (hopefully!)
Paul
"Robert" <Robert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1CA0E891-1970-4B97-925E-15FE7B6A16FF@microsoft.com...
Question
Can anyone please help?
How do you configure XP so Outlook Express can be the default email
program?
I've already tried changing the settings in Outlook Express itself,
but
that's not working. XP always wants to use "Outlook" as the default
email
program, which automatically loads with MS Office, so you can't just
uninstall Outlook without having to uninstall MS Office altogether.
There must be some way to tweak something in XP so I could send
webpages
and
links from webpages with out XP telling me there is no profile set
up
in
Outlook.
Anyone know how?
Thanks for the support
Robert 12/06/05
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: RE: Writing to DVD |
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I'm having the exact same issue, however, I didn't understand if it's
necessary to buy new software? Did you get your issue of writing DVD's
cleared up and how did you fix? Thanks.
"wassup.doc@hushmail.com" wrote:
| Quote: | Until now I have no no problem writing binaries to normal CDs. However,
since I tried to use both a message stick and DVD+RW, I cannot do so. A
message comes up "Windows encountered a problem when trying to copy this
file. What do you want Windows to do? Retry Cancel". Can any MVP make a
suggestion on what a *novice* is to do? Many thanks in advance, David.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: all USB devices stopped working |
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"JC_101" <Luke.Pack@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1164899300.397048.302030@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
| Quote: | to uninstall previously hooked up devices, you would use add/remove
programs and remove anything that had to do with any of the usb
devices.
However, i was talking about going to the bottom where there is
'universal serial bus controllers' and right-click remove. then when
you restart, the drivers should be reinstalled for the usb hubs. (that
is mainly for if there is a conflict detected- but I wold do it
anyway)
A faulty power supply can do a million paculiar things to a pc. If
you happen to have an extra one, I would say throw it in to eliminate
that as a possibility.
For now, just remove the usb's from the device manager and reboot.
you may want to have your driver cd's handy- but I would assume XP
will find the right ones. if that doesn't work, PSU could be a
culprit.
David wrote:
Thanks for your advice. I will try a system restore, but I don't
think that has ever worked on my computer. I'm not sure why not,
because I have allocated lots of space on my hard drive. Every time
I try it thinks for a while then after rebooting informs me that the
restore failed.
Also, how can I uninstall drivers for devices which do not appear in
device manager? The drivers are certainly installed but since the
system does not recognize any USB devices other than the ports I
don't know how to uninstall them.
I was connecting the internet using my USB dial-up modem when the
system froze.
Does the fact that both the motherboard and PCI card ports fail to
recognize any devices offer any clues as to whether the problem is
hardware or software? If the power supply was a bit weak would that
turn off the devices or would there be other clues (other than the
fact that in this part of the world voltages tend to fluctuate and
power supplies periodically go bad and that high power USB devices
often do not work on this computer unless I plug them into powered
hubs).
Thanks for any ideas.
David
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Hey David,
did that work for you? my Win Xp does the same thing. anytime i plug in
a USB my WinXP just freezes, and nothing works (not even ctrl-alt-del).
i tried removing all my usb controllers, and when i rebooted, they all
came back. but my USB still froze the cpu. i have everything serial
now. the only thing i cant use is my external HD. internally, i only
added more RAM, a 2nd internal HD, and a 2nd Video Card...but i never
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Shenan Stanley
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: Writing to DVD |
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wassup.doc wrote:
| Quote: | Until now I have no no problem writing binaries to normal CDs.
However, since I tried to use both a message stick and DVD+RW, I
cannot do so. A message comes up "Windows encountered a problem
when trying to copy this file. What do you want Windows to do?
Retry Cancel". Can any MVP make a suggestion on what a *novice*
is to do? Many thanks in advance, David.
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rra_78 wrote:
| Quote: | I'm having the exact same issue, however, I didn't understand if
it's necessary to buy new software? Did you get your issue of
writing DVD's cleared up and how did you fix? Thanks.
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First - what are 'binaries' to you, wassup.doc? Do you mean an ISO image in
the form of BIN/CUE files?
Secondly - yes - in order to write any wsort of data to a DVD of any sort
(other than a FEW select DVD-RAM drives of old if I remember correctly) you
do need third party software because Windows XP (all versions and current
releases of Windows XP anyway) does not natively support writing to DVD +/-
R/RW.
So - what software are both of you utilizing to write to said DVDs and what
make/model is your DVD writer?
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MS-MVP
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Stan Brown
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:31 am Post subject: Re: Windows Explorer - abrupt termination HELP ME ! |
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Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:35:02 -0600 from umahsri <umahsri.30yqvc@no-
mx.www.techtalkz.com>:
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Hi Buster,
Did you ever find a resolution to your problem? I'm having the exact
same issue for the last 2-3 days and is very annoying!
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Do you know the difference between email and Usenet?
In email, Buster might know what you're talking about. (Or he might
not, depending on the time lapse and other factors.) In Usenet, we
haven't a clue since you gave no context.
http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#quote
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Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
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shtihl
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:44 am Post subject: Re: Is it legal... |
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as a sytem builder i know it os legal to use one disc for multiple
installations as long as i use the separate keys for the individual
machines. if it is a case of damaged media (broken cd), you are in fact
legally allowed to use the media from another official MS cd as long as
you are using YOUR orignal key so if a friend has the cd that matches
your license (Home, Pro, Etc.) then you can use that cd. as far as the
neighbors who have the same model laptop, i dont think there is a legal
issue as some OEM's can code the key right into the hardware and the
media they provide you is just mass produced for that series unit. this
media generally can be replaced for around $15 USD
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