2 Xbox360 consoles on same network

Chris H · Guest

Two or more people at the same location don't need to communicate through
the headset/microphone. Cool

The design of the system, including Xbox Live
and a lot of games, prevents the problems by not allowing it.
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Zymergy · Guest

If cheating is the problem then solve it by only allowing the same ip
address on the same team if it a team game. I mean if people want to cheat
they will cheat anyway by just using telephones set to speaker.

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JBDragon · Guest

I said this on the other Newsgroup and I'll say a bit here. The problem is
both 360's are using the SAME Port Numbers for LIVE!!! LIVE requires port
TCP 3074 and UDP 88,3074. This is a Limitation with your Private Network.
It's a Limitation with Routers. You see you can't change the port numbers
each 360 uses on your network. So while each 360 has it's own IP address
like 192.169.0.1 and 192.168.0.2, they are BOTH using the SAME Port Numbers
to connect to LIVE. This is not a problem when your system linking, but as
soon as you go outside your private network, your now confusing your 360
systems. If MS allowed you to use different Port Numbers, this wouldn't be
a problem.

Example, you can run EMULE a P2P program on 2 different PC's on your Private
network at the SAME time. You can change the port number in the program to
use something else, and then port forward the different ports in the router
to the correct PC. The Incoming packets of Data would then go to the
correct PC. As far as I know you can't change this with the XBox.

You can get around this if you want to spend money and get 2 Static IP
address from your ISP and using a Switch. Then giving each 360 there're own
Internet IP address. Now it no longer matters that each 360 is using the
same Port Numbers as the Internet IP address are now different. Both 360's
are now like every other 360 connected on LIVE.

Now maybe MS doesn't allow people to change the port Numbers on 360 for
cheating reasons, or because of Network Compatibility. I know Games on your
PC that you play online also normally use a Specific Port Number. Maybe
for gaming(I don't know for sure) it's better for everyone to be using the
same PORTS.

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JBDragon · Guest

This is completely different. For one this your PC and the XBox are not
only using different private IP address, but also different PORT Numbers.
Xbox live requires port TCP 3074 and UDP. While on your PC, your using Port
80 HTTP for your Web browser, Port 110 for Pop3 Email, Port 21 for FTP,
ect,..ect...

2 360 systems on the same Private network, using the SAME Internet IP
address are going to have problems because they are both using the SAME LIVE
port Numbers. This is confusing to the 360 systems as to which systems
gets what packets of Data. You would have the SAME problem playing the
same game on 2 different PC's on your Network also unless you could change
the port Numbers. I haven't placed any PC games Online for a few years,
but you could never do that back then, they all use different port Numbers
for each game, but you still couldn't change it. Maybe that's change since,
or maybe only for a few games. I know you can change port numbers on P2P
programs so you could run 2 or more PC's on your network with the same P2P
program running but set to use different port numbers for each PC and for
better results Port Forward the current ports to the right PC in the Router
settings.

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Zymergy · Guest

I just wanted someone to actually admit that its a technical issue and not
just stammer out the old cliche about cheating. I only have one so I dont'
really care about why you can't have two. But if I did want to add another
one i'm sure I could find a open wirelss network close by. :)

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JBDragon · Guest

Yes, you could do that as you would then be using a different IP address.
Of course you need a pretty good Wireless signal from wherever otherwise
gaming is going to be pretty poor, and of course using lots of bandwidth
just might be noticed from the owners of that bandwidth. Of course wither
they think it's just currently poor service at that time or something else,
who knows.

Personally I don't think it's a cheating thing, then again it may be a bit.
I think it's required for everyone to be using the same ports otherwise MS
would/could have a option to pick what ports you want to use, even if you
couldn't just pick anything, but from a list of like 8 Port Number setups
you could use. Then have each 360 on your privet network using a different
port. This would fix one problem, but then it may/may not work anyway. I'm
not a Programmer, let alone a Network programmer. I know on P2P programs on
the PC, you can normally pick whatever port you want to use and they seem to
connect to others using different port numbers. I've never seen this done
on a PC GAME though. Maybe for better performance then all need to be using
the SAME PORTS. On the other hand I can see MS not wanting a group in once
place with 4 360's in one location connecting to LIVE and swamping a Room,
Basically have one large group of people all together in one place where
they can really chat and whatever to each other against another group if
Individuals (Strangers) just communicating though Microphones. It would be
a really huge unfair Advantage. So I can see how NOT allowing you to use
a different PORTS on the 360 is in a way stopping cheating up to a point.
At least for most people. Your still going to need a pretty fast
Internet connection for 4 360's on your network at the same time as a
example.

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paeron24 · Guest

I'm going to try to address two of the issues that i've read on this, first
the actual problem of connecting with 2 xbox's off the same IP and port, and
second why it is that MS doesn't have a port switch feature in their XBOX
Live system to make it easier.

Xbox Live tech page says you need to have all of 5 differant ports open on
your firewall/router/whatever, but in reality you probably don't need to
have access to all of those ports all at the same time. It might be possible
(might) to set up your router to designate certain ports to certain Xbox's
for use, which would then (possibly) bypass the issue of same port/same IP.

Also, if your really good (and this is also theoretical) You might be able
to find a way to have your packets from each of the Xbox's transmit through
the router and to the internet at differant burst rates, or essentially
offsetting the data stream between the 2 systems to (once again possibly)
bypass the problem.

Keep in mind that I have tried neither of these myself and declare no
supreme wisdom in whether they are sound, but from what I know of how any
small or large network system works that seems atleast partly possible at
the least.

As for why MS doesn't allow multiple ports... i can only guess at 2 reasons.
One being access and bandwidth control due to the large volume of systems
and data from those systems being exchanged constantly over multiple
networking systems (and now platforms since Vista/XP is compatible with XBOX
360 and Live).

The second reason might have something to do with the FCC and the number of
access points and dedicated server ports they were allowed to have. There
are a finite number of access points to the internet, a finite amount of
worldwide bandwidth and a finite number of people who can be occupying a
single frequency at one time. Most people don't know this because it's not
something that is pertinent to anything in their lives but all these high
speed cable connections and fiber optic lines all run on the same basic
principle as your car radio, more complicated in design but same principle
and same restrictions.

Anyways, i've blabbed enough, good look on getting your systems running

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Chad Smith · Guest

I have 3 Xbox 360s on the same internal network. We all 3 play online
together.
Any NAT router handles the traffic. No two devices on any network can have
the same IP address.

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Chris H · Guest

Then you ISP is assigning different IP addresses to each device. There is a
huge difference between the Local Area Network (LAN) (usually 192.x.x.x
numbers within your own network) and the Internet addresses as dished out by
the Internet Service Provider.
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joker · Guest

I have 2 360's connected to the same modem / router. My son has one in his
bedroom and mine is in my lounge. We regularly are connected at the same
time playing the same game on the same team or or opposite teams. When I
connected my sons 360 with mine already connected it just set itself up
automatically and has never been an issue.

This is nothing to do with *cheating*, just two of us playing games a lot of
the time against each other! BTW friends of mine also have 2 360's on the
same internet connection so it is possible and it is not all about cheating!

joker

JBDragon · Guest

Well it may not be about cheating for YOU, but for a lot of people it is.
People will do anything to WIN in games, which is kind of sad and pitiful of
them, but I guess they don't care. It also seems a lot of people these days
are just really LAZY. If cheating to Win and get ahead is easier, then they
will do it. It's all about Gamer points and Rankings. Something I just
don't care about. I've had my 360 since Dec 26th 2005, or almost 2 years,
and I haven't even gotten over 1000 gamer points. I don't have time to do a
lot of gaming. I don't care about points. I just play to have some fun
from time to time.

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Kevin C · Guest

Me and my friends bring three 360s to the same place all the time, three
different TVs, just hooked up through a standard router, and we've never
really had any issues playing online at the same time.

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