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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: French paradox solved? |
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French paradox redux? US vs. French on being full
It's the French paradox redux: Why don't the French get as fat as
Americans, considering all the baguettes, wine, cheese, pate and
pastries they eat?
Because they use internal cues -- such as no longer feeling hungry --
to stop eating, reports a new Cornell study. Americans, on the other
hand, tend to use external cues -- such as whether their plate is
clean, they have run out of their beverage or the TV show they're
watching is over.
"Furthermore, we have found that the heavier a person is -- French or
American -- the more they rely on external cues to tell them to stop
eating and the less they rely on whether they felt full," said senior
author Brian Wansink, the John S. Dyson Professor of Marketing and
director of the Cornell Food and Brand Lab in the Department of
Applied Economics and Management, now on leave to serve as executive
director of the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Center for Nutrition
Policy and Promotion until January 2009.
The new study, an analysis of questionnaires from 133 Parisians and
145 Chicagoans about how they decide when to stop eating, is being
published in the journal Obesity and is being presented this later
month at an the Winter Marketing Educators conference.
"Over-relying on external cues to stop eating a meal may prove useful
in offering a partial explanation of why body mass index [a
calculation based on the relationship of weight to height] varies
across people and potentially across cultures," said co-author Collin
Payne, a Cornell postdoctoral researcher. He stressed that further
studies should following up with smoking behavior and socio-economic
differences as well. "Relying on internal cues for meal cessation,
rather than on external cues, may improve eating patterns in the long
term.
SOURCE: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-02/cfb-fpr021508.php# |
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: French paradox solved? |
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On Mar 4, 2:46 am, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | French paradox redux? US vs. French on being full
It's the French paradox redux: Why don't the French get as fat as
Americans, considering all the baguettes, wine, cheese, pate and
pastries they eat?
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Thank goodness we can look at this objectively without cultural
biases.
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Because they use internal cues -- such as no longer feeling hungry --
to stop eating, reports a new Cornell study. Americans, on the other
hand, tend to use external cues -- such as whether their plate is
clean, they have run out of their beverage or the TV show they're
watching is over.
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Or because they eat real food. Fresh nutritous real whole foods that
nourish and satiate, As opposed to the American diet of highly refined
highly processed high-carb crap foods like inch-thick-white-flour-
crusted-pizzas, french fries, gallons of high-fructose-corn-syrup
laden beverages, etc.
The French eat real animal fats and real meats and real vegetables.
All containing real nutrition. Real lard, real duck fat, real chicken
fat, real tallow. Real cream, real milk. Real eggs.
Americans eat low-fat highly processed milk products, low-fat pasta
dishes, low fat highly processed everything. Including a lot of highly
processed vegetable oils. Egg white products. Their yogurt is mostly
made of powdered milk solids!!! The stuff Americans eat is no longer
food. It does not satiate and it does not nourish.
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"Furthermore, we have found that the heavier a person is -- French or
American -- the more they rely on external cues to tell them to stop
eating and the less they rely on whether they felt full," said senior
author Brian Wansink, the John S. Dyson Professor of Marketing and
director of the Cornell Food and Brand Lab in the Department of
Applied Economics and Management, now on leave to serve as executive
director of the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Center for Nutrition
Policy and Promotion until January 2009.
The new study, an analysis of questionnaires from 133 Parisians and
145 Chicagoans about how they decide when to stop eating, is being
published in the journal Obesity and is being presented this later
month at an the Winter Marketing Educators conference.
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They should look at what thin people eat and what fat people eat and
categorize it by refined carb content and level of processing. That
would be interesting reading.
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"Over-relying on external cues to stop eating a meal may prove useful
in offering a partial explanation of why body mass index [a
calculation based on the relationship of weight to height] varies
across people and potentially across cultures," said co-author Collin
Payne, a Cornell postdoctoral researcher. He stressed that further
studies should following up with smoking behavior and socio-economic
differences as well. "Relying on internal cues for meal cessation,
rather than on external cues, may improve eating patterns in the long
term.
SOURCE:http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-02/cfb-fpr021508.php#
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Nothing will cue you to stop eating better than eating real food with
real fats and real proteins and real carbs. Eat highly processed crap
with added sugars and added hfcs and lacking in real nutrition and
your body cannot handle it. We are genetically geared to eat real
foods. |
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Cubit Guest
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: French paradox solved? |
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"Taka" <taka0038@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6757a5ad-470a-4fd4-9f7e-a6d6a5e545de@47g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | French paradox redux? US vs. French on being full
It's the French paradox redux: Why don't the French get as fat as
Americans, considering all the baguettes, wine, cheese, pate and
pastries they eat?
Because they use internal cues -- such as no longer feeling hungry --
to stop eating, reports a new Cornell study. Americans, on the other
hand, tend to use external cues -- such as whether their plate is
clean, they have run out of their beverage or the TV show they're
watching is over.
"Furthermore, we have found that the heavier a person is -- French or
American -- the more they rely on external cues to tell them to stop
eating and the less they rely on whether they felt full," said senior
author Brian Wansink, the John S. Dyson Professor of Marketing and
director of the Cornell Food and Brand Lab in the Department of
Applied Economics and Management, now on leave to serve as executive
director of the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Center for Nutrition
Policy and Promotion until January 2009.
The new study, an analysis of questionnaires from 133 Parisians and
145 Chicagoans about how they decide when to stop eating, is being
published in the journal Obesity and is being presented this later
month at an the Winter Marketing Educators conference.
"Over-relying on external cues to stop eating a meal may prove useful
in offering a partial explanation of why body mass index [a
calculation based on the relationship of weight to height] varies
across people and potentially across cultures," said co-author Collin
Payne, a Cornell postdoctoral researcher. He stressed that further
studies should following up with smoking behavior and socio-economic
differences as well. "Relying on internal cues for meal cessation,
rather than on external cues, may improve eating patterns in the long
term.
SOURCE: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-02/cfb-fpr021508.php#
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Well, pulling wild monkeys from my ass, I think I would suggest that the
French Paradox comes from eating more fat. Also, I've heard anecdotes that,
for example, that the French use French Bread to push food onto their fork.
They aren't interested in eating the stuff.
Much is made of the red wine and resveritrol (spelling?), but I suspect that
will not pan out. Epidemiology is not like engineering a car. |
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TC Guest
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: French paradox solved? |
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On Mar 5, 10:22 am, "Cubit" <n...@not.not> wrote:
| Quote: | "Taka" <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6757a5ad-470a-4fd4-9f7e-a6d6a5e545de@47g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
French paradox redux? US vs. French on being full
It's the French paradox redux: Why don't the French get as fat as
Americans, considering all the baguettes, wine, cheese, pate and
pastries they eat?
Because they use internal cues -- such as no longer feeling hungry --
to stop eating, reports a new Cornell study. Americans, on the other
hand, tend to use external cues -- such as whether their plate is
clean, they have run out of their beverage or the TV show they're
watching is over.
"Furthermore, we have found that the heavier a person is -- French or
American -- the more they rely on external cues to tell them to stop
eating and the less they rely on whether they felt full," said senior
author Brian Wansink, the John S. Dyson Professor of Marketing and
director of the Cornell Food and Brand Lab in the Department of
Applied Economics and Management, now on leave to serve as executive
director of the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Center for Nutrition
Policy and Promotion until January 2009.
The new study, an analysis of questionnaires from 133 Parisians and
145 Chicagoans about how they decide when to stop eating, is being
published in the journal Obesity and is being presented this later
month at an the Winter Marketing Educators conference.
"Over-relying on external cues to stop eating a meal may prove useful
in offering a partial explanation of why body mass index [a
calculation based on the relationship of weight to height] varies
across people and potentially across cultures," said co-author Collin
Payne, a Cornell postdoctoral researcher. He stressed that further
studies should following up with smoking behavior and socio-economic
differences as well. "Relying on internal cues for meal cessation,
rather than on external cues, may improve eating patterns in the long
term.
SOURCE:http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-02/cfb-fpr021508.php#
Well, pulling wild monkeys from my ass, I think I would suggest that the
French Paradox comes from eating more fat. Also, I've heard anecdotes that,
for example, that the French use French Bread to push food onto their fork..
They aren't interested in eating the stuff.
Much is made of the red wine and resveritrol (spelling?), but I suspect that
will not pan out. Epidemiology is not like engineering a car.- Hide quoted text -
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Hint: They eat real food. |
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Ron Peterson Guest
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: French paradox solved? |
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On Mar 5, 10:22 am, "Cubit" <n...@not.not> wrote:
| Quote: | Well, pulling wild monkeys from my ass, I think I would suggest that the
French Paradox comes from eating more fat. Also, I've heard anecdotes that,
for example, that the French use French Bread to push food onto their fork..
They aren't interested in eating the stuff.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_paradox states that the French
consume 3 times as much pork as the US. Although pork has high levels
of fat, it isn't as saturated as beef fat.
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Ron |
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TC Guest
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: French paradox solved? |
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On Mar 5, 2:17 pm, Ron Peterson <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mar 5, 10:22 am, "Cubit" <n...@not.not> wrote:
Well, pulling wild monkeys from my ass, I think I would suggest that the
French Paradox comes from eating more fat. Also, I've heard anecdotes that,
for example, that the French use French Bread to push food onto their fork.
They aren't interested in eating the stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_paradoxstates that the French
consume 3 times as much pork as the US. Although pork has high levels
of fat, it isn't as saturated as beef fat.
--
Ron
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And they consume very little high fructose corn syrup laden soda pop.
Or any other highly processed crap foods. Hint: Fresh, nutrient dense
real foods. |
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: French paradox solved? |
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What's your point, Ron? Unless they ate huge amounts of pork relative
to Americans, this is not likely to make much of a difference.
Instead, the way science is supposed to work is that you present a
hypothesis, then test it or at least attempt to get funding (if that
is a possibility). If the oxidative stress/free radical damage/
arachidonic acid overload/antioxidant deficiency kind of hypothesis is
correct, one simple study would be to measure the reactive molecules
generated by the supposedly typical French diet relative to its
American counterpart, correct? Since PUFAs are very reactive
biochemically whereas saturated fatty acids have the opposite effect,
one should do a study on this specifically, though the evidence up to
this point is so strong (just the raw demographic data alone is
conclusive in terms of invalidating claims against "saturated fat").
As it stands, my diet is the "ultimate paradox diet," with as much
sugar and salt as I like, and as much saturated fatty acids as I can
ingest without it affecting taste (and very little PUFAs). Not only I
am fine, 7 years after beginning this "experiment," but I also
overcame an affliction that almost killed me. If anyone should have
died of a diet that most American "experts" would deem horrendous, it
should have been me. Instead, all the people I see with serious
medical issues are consuming PUFA-rich and usually meat-rich diets,
and this makes perfect sense - if you are willing to examine the
molecular-level evidence (and assuming that you understand it). |
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