Giordano Brunos

Andrzej Rosa · Guest

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Andrzej Rosa · Guest

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Guest · Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: Giordano Brunos

Excuse me if I'm a bit confused about what this string is all about.
My purpose for posting the piece on Giordano Bruno was that knowledge
comes via different routes not through one way or method alone. With
"mysticism" and I'm referring to the kind on which Eastern philiosophy
is based not other definitions. There has always been the problem of
verification as we have with any philosophy. which is really thinking
about thinkling. Philosophers are theoreticians, not experimentalists.
Science is based and derived from Western Philosophy. i.e., mainly
from Aristotelian Logic, Cartesian dualism and many others. I have
long been intimately familiar with these ideas. I am also fairly
knowledgeable in Eastern philosophy. I couldn't totally comprehend
the writings (DT Suzuki, a Buddhist Scholar who taught at Columbia
University is IMO probably the most lucid writer for Westerners) I
took it upon myself to experience these brain states for myself. I
have experienced Satori twice so I have firsthand empirical knowledge
of these philosophies. While both Hinduism and Buddhism are very
heterodox the area I am referring to and which I favor is known as non-
theistic monism. Eastern and Western philosophy really come together
in the Kant-Schopenhauerian.system.
First I'll come to my point about spacetime. After David Hume had
basically oblierated Empicism and Western philosophy could have ended
there., Kant claimed that Hume woke him from his intellectual slumbers
and produced a philosophy that united rationalism and empiricism. In
the Kantian categories space and time are innate capacities for
framing experience. Moreover they exist in the mind. Now the
experience of kensho is one of experiencing the infinite, sort of an
eternal timelessness the actual feeling is one of transcending a
Cartesian three dimensional co-ordinate system. What recent
discoveries in neuroscience have revealed is that the parietal lobes
have decreased activity in this state which is where our cognitive
maps are stored. There is also a transcendance of the older mammalian
brain which is the root of instinct and emotion so the experience is
one without emotion and desire which would probably correlate with the
experience of Nirvana. This brain experience is reproducible and seems
to have been experienced by people throughout history in various times
and cultures. As to Einstein and the Theories of Relativity (General
and Special) if anyone is familiar with the story, it was an intuition
in his mind. This was not something he worked out mathematically,
Hermann Minkowski did that and of course the experimental evidence was
required, first by Sir Arthur Eddington. The fact remains that
Einstein did not discover this. The Buddhists and Hindus (in Advaita
Vedanta, a non-theistic Monism) had discovered this at least 2,600
years ago. They applied it to ontology. physics really didn't exist
for them as they hadn't arbitrarily divided knowledge into categories
or developed the experimental method..
Which brings me back to some of my original postings. ( at last
you say he has finally ended that interminable paragraph!!!) This has
to do with the ontological problem of modern physics. Einstein,
Heisenberg, Bohr, Schrodinger, Eddington, Oppenheimer and many other
of the founders of modern physics embraced various schools of Eastern
Philosophy mainly non-theistic monism. David Bohm and Brian Josephson
are more recent examples. Roger Penrose of course has his own ideas
Steohen Hawking apparently chooses to ignore the problem as
irrelevant.
What we've been seeing over th past century and into this one is
a very slow paradigm shift among science in general. While Philosopjy
will apparently have to lead the way few philosophers are
knowledgeable in physics or mysticism and the same goes for most
scientists. Something interesting usually develops when a number of
disciplines through their own methods arrive at the same conclusions.
Few people are knowledgeable in these areas and fewer still are aware
of these more recent developments..I think further research in these
areas will prove fruitful in providing a better understanding of
ourselves, our relations to each other and to our environment. These
are the sine qua nons of religion no matter what its form from animism
to theistic materialism to nonm-theistic materialism and perhaps
finally to non-theistic monism.
If anyone has any further questions regarding that I have hinted
at obliquely in the past or questions on philosopy or other topics in
general I would be happy to respond. I have had an interest in
philosophical questions since I was five years old at which time I
rejected a belief in a Supreme Being. Over the past 45 years I have
acquired quite an immense knowledge in both philosophy and science.
I've always been a bit reticient about espousing my ideas publicly as
they differ markedly from the hoi polloi's in general perhaps as a
result of my mental abilities and knowledge.

Tim

Guest · Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: Giordano Brunos

ADDENDUM
Any desiring further knowledge on these topics many recent books
have been written on neuroscience. physics. If one wants the
experience and requires a teacher I would recommend Zen, it doesn't
have a holy scripture. They simply say come in have the experience and
you either gey it or you don't. Remeber we acquire knowledge through
experience or from a reliable quthoruty.

cormac · Guest

If one wants the

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