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That is a common occurrence in Apple's forums, rather than admitting
problems they try to hide them, at least until a lawsuit comes along.
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"DZigas" <DZigas@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Thanks, Stanley. For all my criticism, I do respect MS for your
willingness
to respond & fix. Just for the record, last year I posted a critique of
Apple's Front Row software on their chat board -- not a flame, just some
very
specific problems -- and it was removed w/ in 24 hours, without
explanation.
I posted again asking why it was removed, and it was removed. So much for
the
free speech ethic at Apple.. -- David
"Shenan Stanley" wrote:
DZigas wrote:
True, but only in a very restrictive sense. Both Dell and HP
offered 1 older model with XP. I asked both if XP could be
installed on the Inspiron (and the HP DV line), and the answer was
no. Who is forcing whom here? Why should I have to settle for the
dregs of their lineup when I want the latest hardware, just to get
XP? For the record, I've reinstalled Vista, and hope to make it
work. Within 1 hour here's what's happened:
Windows Media Player wont play
Windows Explorer crashed twice trying to look at a photo
Norton 360 (which runs great on my XP desktop and is "Vista ready"
won't run.
The problem is that the Inspiron 1520/1521 is not sold in Dell Small
Business. The Vostro 1500is the small business model closest to the
Inspiron 1520/1521. It is the Business sections of the Dell website that
have Windows XP as an option without some calling/arguing with sales
people.
In any case - Windows XP can be installed on it (by Dell or by the end
user)
and all you have to know is that you can get the drivers for the hardware
for Windows XP from here:
http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?os=WW1&osl=EN&catid=-1&impid=-1&servicetag=&SystemID=INS_PNT_PM_1521&hidos=WLH&hidlang=en
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DZigas
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: XP in a new Dell Laptop |
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Nepatsfan: I am going to reinstall XP again this weekend. I checked out the
page on the Dell site and am very impressed. They have it very well
organized. Just to confirm the procedure: Are these downloads are
self-installing? (I.e., are they packaged as executable files?) Do I have to
do anything in Device Manager to get them running correctly? Finally, once I
install them, I assume I should have a machine comparable, if not exactly the
same, as if I had bought an XP version directly from Dell -- yes?
Thanks for bearing with me -- I'm just trying to head off those annoying
"hair pulling" moments. ;<) -- David
P.S.-- Go Pats! (I live in Brookline)
"Nepatsfan" wrote:
| Quote: | In news:C3BB30E1-31C4-4246-A6F0-ADA0243088A2@microsoft.com,
DZigas <DZigas@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
Hi -- I just bought a new Dell Inspiron 1521 that came with
Vista Home
Premium. I replaced that with Windows XP Pro from a newly
purchased CD-ROM
over that. I have had no luck connecting to the internet,
neither through
ethernet nor through my LAN (the Dell has a wifi card built
in). I noticed
that in Device Manager, under "other devices", all seem to be
missing --
i.e., they have yellow question marks and exclamation points.
This includes
the ethernet controller and and network controller. Is this
the source of my
problem?
Any guidance on how to get my Dell running XP normally would
be greatfully
appreciated. -- David
Download the drivers for the devices you are missing from this
web site.
http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen&ServiceTag=&SystemID=INS_PNT_1501&os=WW1&osl=en&catid=&impid=
If you're not sure what hardware items were included in your
laptop, click on Add or Edit Service tag. Enter the 7 character
service tag which you will find on the bottom of your laptop.
Good luck
Nepatsfan
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Shenan Stanley
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: XP in a new Dell Laptop |
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DZigas wrote:
| Quote: | Nepatsfan: I am going to reinstall XP again this weekend. I checked
out the page on the Dell site and am very impressed. They have it
very well organized. Just to confirm the procedure: Are these
downloads are self-installing? (I.e., are they packaged as
executable files?) Do I have to do anything in Device Manager to
get them running correctly? Finally, once I install them, I assume
I should have a machine comparable, if not exactly the same, as if
I had bought an XP version directly from Dell -- yes?
Thanks for bearing with me -- I'm just trying to head off those
annoying "hair pulling" moments. ;<) -- David
P.S.-- Go Pats! (I live in Brookline)
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It can be assumed that the drivers you download will allow you to install
Windows XP and utilize all features of the system just like if you had
bought it with Windows XP - unless you notice there are some components
missing from their drivers list that you have now. Bluetooth, for example.
However - for the most part - Dell supports all of their systems right now
with either Windows XP or Windows Vista (and a flavor or two of *nix.) You
should be able to find what you need from Dell. If not - you can likely
find what you need from the actual manufacturer of whatever product might
still need a driver.
The drivers are generally self-installing from Dell - although, on
occassion - you might have to go in Device Manager and manually install the
drivers.
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DZigas
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: XP in a new Dell Laptop |
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Stanley -- Thanks. I've installed one-off drivers, but never to get an OS off
the ground like this before, so I'm trying to touch all the bases. I recall
many times in tinkering w/ computers when something that "should be easy"
seems to take forever. ;<) -- David
"Shenan Stanley" wrote:
| Quote: | DZigas wrote:
Nepatsfan: I am going to reinstall XP again this weekend. I checked
out the page on the Dell site and am very impressed. They have it
very well organized. Just to confirm the procedure: Are these
downloads are self-installing? (I.e., are they packaged as
executable files?) Do I have to do anything in Device Manager to
get them running correctly? Finally, once I install them, I assume
I should have a machine comparable, if not exactly the same, as if
I had bought an XP version directly from Dell -- yes?
Thanks for bearing with me -- I'm just trying to head off those
annoying "hair pulling" moments. ;<) -- David
P.S.-- Go Pats! (I live in Brookline)
It can be assumed that the drivers you download will allow you to install
Windows XP and utilize all features of the system just like if you had
bought it with Windows XP - unless you notice there are some components
missing from their drivers list that you have now. Bluetooth, for example.
However - for the most part - Dell supports all of their systems right now
with either Windows XP or Windows Vista (and a flavor or two of *nix.) You
should be able to find what you need from Dell. If not - you can likely
find what you need from the actual manufacturer of whatever product might
still need a driver.
The drivers are generally self-installing from Dell - although, on
occassion - you might have to go in Device Manager and manually install the
drivers.
--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
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http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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Nepatsfan
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: XP in a new Dell Laptop |
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Most driver packages I've downloaded from Dell are
self-extracting files. When you double click the downloaded
file it will extract the installation files to a folder named
something similar to this;
C:\DELL\DRIVERS\R123456
You'll need to go to that folder and run setup.exe to start the
driver installation.
As for your laptop running as if it had been shipped from Dell
with XP installed, I'll simply echo what Shenan noted in his
response. Yes, it's a safe assumption that if Dell is providing
the XP version of the drivers for a hardware component, it
should work correctly.
Good luck
Nepatsfan
In news:5555EF82-8334-4522-9193-695F895910F1@microsoft.com,
DZigas <DZigas@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Nepatsfan: I am going to reinstall XP again this weekend. I
checked out the
page on the Dell site and am very impressed. They have it
very well
organized. Just to confirm the procedure: Are these downloads
are
self-installing? (I.e., are they packaged as executable
files?) Do I have to
do anything in Device Manager to get them running correctly?
Finally, once I
install them, I assume I should have a machine comparable, if
not exactly the
same, as if I had bought an XP version directly from Dell --
yes?
Thanks for bearing with me -- I'm just trying to head off
those annoying
"hair pulling" moments. ;<) -- David
P.S.-- Go Pats! (I live in Brookline)
"Nepatsfan" wrote:
In news:C3BB30E1-31C4-4246-A6F0-ADA0243088A2@microsoft.com,
DZigas <DZigas@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
Hi -- I just bought a new Dell Inspiron 1521 that came with
Vista Home
Premium. I replaced that with Windows XP Pro from a newly
purchased CD-ROM
over that. I have had no luck connecting to the internet,
neither through
ethernet nor through my LAN (the Dell has a wifi card built
in). I noticed
that in Device Manager, under "other devices", all seem to
be
missing --
i.e., they have yellow question marks and exclamation
points.
This includes
the ethernet controller and and network controller. Is this
the source of my
problem?
Any guidance on how to get my Dell running XP normally
would
be greatfully
appreciated. -- David
Download the drivers for the devices you are missing from
this
web site.
http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen&ServiceTag=&SystemID=INS_PNT_1501&os=WW1&osl=en&catid=&impid=
If you're not sure what hardware items were included in your
laptop, click on Add or Edit Service tag. Enter the 7
character
service tag which you will find on the bottom of your
laptop.
Good luck
Nepatsfan |
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DZigas
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: XP in a new Dell Laptop |
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Stanley -- I wanted to give you and other visitors to this chat board a heads
up -- the drivers at the Dell link you provide do NOT work for current model
Inspiron 1521 computers, even though the Dell site says they do. I tried
them, and get error messages and drivers that don't load.
I was about to return the computer to Dell (it wasn't running XP and Vista
isn't acceptable). One tech support guy suggested that the new Inspirons
aren't "compatible" w/ XP???!!!. Then I lucked into finding someone at Dell
who actually helped. He was the return agent I contacted, who just by
coincidence happened to be recently transferred from tech support. He and his
tech buddy found dell XP drivers that work w/ late model Inspirons, and he
gave them to me. The computer now runs normally. I will pass them along to
anyone interested.
Now, I ask anyone reading this: Is Dell incompetent? Unwilling to support XP
anymore? Or both? A very strange episode.
"Shenan Stanley" wrote:
| Quote: | DZigas wrote:
True, but only in a very restrictive sense. Both Dell and HP
offered 1 older model with XP. I asked both if XP could be
installed on the Inspiron (and the HP DV line), and the answer was
no. Who is forcing whom here? Why should I have to settle for the
dregs of their lineup when I want the latest hardware, just to get
XP? For the record, I've reinstalled Vista, and hope to make it
work. Within 1 hour here's what's happened:
Windows Media Player wont play
Windows Explorer crashed twice trying to look at a photo
Norton 360 (which runs great on my XP desktop and is "Vista ready"
won't run.
The problem is that the Inspiron 1520/1521 is not sold in Dell Small
Business. The Vostro 1500is the small business model closest to the
Inspiron 1520/1521. It is the Business sections of the Dell website that
have Windows XP as an option without some calling/arguing with sales people.
In any case - Windows XP can be installed on it (by Dell or by the end user)
and all you have to know is that you can get the drivers for the hardware
for Windows XP from here:
http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?os=WW1&osl=EN&catid=-1&impid=-1&servicetag=&SystemID=INS_PNT_PM_1521&hidos=WLH&hidlang=en
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Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
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How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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Jeff D.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:27 am Post subject: Re: XP in a new Dell Laptop |
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Hey can I get those XP drivers from you? The ones off of Dell's website
don't do anything and i'm desperate to get XP working on my Inspiron 1521!
Thanks in advance,
"DZigas" wrote:
| Quote: | Stanley -- I wanted to give you and other visitors to this chat board a heads
up -- the drivers at the Dell link you provide do NOT work for current model
Inspiron 1521 computers, even though the Dell site says they do. I tried
them, and get error messages and drivers that don't load.
I was about to return the computer to Dell (it wasn't running XP and Vista
isn't acceptable). One tech support guy suggested that the new Inspirons
aren't "compatible" w/ XP???!!!. Then I lucked into finding someone at Dell
who actually helped. He was the return agent I contacted, who just by
coincidence happened to be recently transferred from tech support. He and his
tech buddy found dell XP drivers that work w/ late model Inspirons, and he
gave them to me. The computer now runs normally. I will pass them along to
anyone interested.
Now, I ask anyone reading this: Is Dell incompetent? Unwilling to support XP
anymore? Or both? A very strange episode.
"Shenan Stanley" wrote:
DZigas wrote:
True, but only in a very restrictive sense. Both Dell and HP
offered 1 older model with XP. I asked both if XP could be
installed on the Inspiron (and the HP DV line), and the answer was
no. Who is forcing whom here? Why should I have to settle for the
dregs of their lineup when I want the latest hardware, just to get
XP? For the record, I've reinstalled Vista, and hope to make it
work. Within 1 hour here's what's happened:
Windows Media Player wont play
Windows Explorer crashed twice trying to look at a photo
Norton 360 (which runs great on my XP desktop and is "Vista ready"
won't run.
The problem is that the Inspiron 1520/1521 is not sold in Dell Small
Business. The Vostro 1500is the small business model closest to the
Inspiron 1520/1521. It is the Business sections of the Dell website that
have Windows XP as an option without some calling/arguing with sales people.
In any case - Windows XP can be installed on it (by Dell or by the end user)
and all you have to know is that you can get the drivers for the hardware
for Windows XP from here:
http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?os=WW1&osl=EN&catid=-1&impid=-1&servicetag=&SystemID=INS_PNT_PM_1521&hidos=WLH&hidlang=en
--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
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How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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DZigas
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: XP in a new Dell Laptop |
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Jeff -- Sure, of course. The only hitch is the drivers add up to 171 mb, so
sending you a CD sounds like the best option. I may be able to use
"yousendit.com", which is a site that offers FTP download service, for
sending large files, but I'd have to do that tomorrow or later today. Let me
know your thoughts. Reach me at DZigas@yahoo.com. Thanks. -- David
P.S. -- This is pretty pathetic on Dell's part, that we have to scramble
this way to make their damn machine work.
"Jeff D." wrote:
| Quote: | Hey can I get those XP drivers from you? The ones off of Dell's website
don't do anything and i'm desperate to get XP working on my Inspiron 1521!
Thanks in advance,
"DZigas" wrote:
Stanley -- I wanted to give you and other visitors to this chat board a heads
up -- the drivers at the Dell link you provide do NOT work for current model
Inspiron 1521 computers, even though the Dell site says they do. I tried
them, and get error messages and drivers that don't load.
I was about to return the computer to Dell (it wasn't running XP and Vista
isn't acceptable). One tech support guy suggested that the new Inspirons
aren't "compatible" w/ XP???!!!. Then I lucked into finding someone at Dell
who actually helped. He was the return agent I contacted, who just by
coincidence happened to be recently transferred from tech support. He and his
tech buddy found dell XP drivers that work w/ late model Inspirons, and he
gave them to me. The computer now runs normally. I will pass them along to
anyone interested.
Now, I ask anyone reading this: Is Dell incompetent? Unwilling to support XP
anymore? Or both? A very strange episode.
"Shenan Stanley" wrote:
DZigas wrote:
True, but only in a very restrictive sense. Both Dell and HP
offered 1 older model with XP. I asked both if XP could be
installed on the Inspiron (and the HP DV line), and the answer was
no. Who is forcing whom here? Why should I have to settle for the
dregs of their lineup when I want the latest hardware, just to get
XP? For the record, I've reinstalled Vista, and hope to make it
work. Within 1 hour here's what's happened:
Windows Media Player wont play
Windows Explorer crashed twice trying to look at a photo
Norton 360 (which runs great on my XP desktop and is "Vista ready"
won't run.
The problem is that the Inspiron 1520/1521 is not sold in Dell Small
Business. The Vostro 1500is the small business model closest to the
Inspiron 1520/1521. It is the Business sections of the Dell website that
have Windows XP as an option without some calling/arguing with sales people.
In any case - Windows XP can be installed on it (by Dell or by the end user)
and all you have to know is that you can get the drivers for the hardware
for Windows XP from here:
http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?os=WW1&osl=EN&catid=-1&impid=-1&servicetag=&SystemID=INS_PNT_PM_1521&hidos=WLH&hidlang=en
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Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
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tantric_lover
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: XP in a new Dell Laptop |
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On Dec 5, 8:27 pm, Jeff D. <Jeff D...@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Hey can I get those XP drivers from you? The ones off of Dell's website
don't do anything and i'm desperate to get XP working on my Inspiron 1521!
Thanks in advance,"DZigas" wrote:
Stanley -- I wanted to give you and other visitors to this chat board a heads
up -- the drivers at the Dell link you provide do NOT work for current model
Inspiron 1521 computers, even though the Dell site says they do. I tried
them, and get error messages and drivers that don't load.
I was about to return the computer to Dell (it wasn't running XP and Vista
isn't acceptable). One tech support guy suggested that the new Inspirons
aren't "compatible" w/ XP???!!!. Then I lucked into finding someone at Dell
who actually helped. He was the return agent I contacted, who just by
coincidence happened to be recently transferred from tech support. He and his
tech buddy found dell XP drivers that work w/ late model Inspirons, and he
gave them to me. The computer now runs normally. I will pass them along to
anyone interested.
Now, I ask anyone reading this: Is Dell incompetent? Unwilling to support XP
anymore? Or both? A very strange episode.
"Shenan Stanley" wrote:
DZigas wrote:
True, but only in a very restrictive sense. Both Dell and HP
offered 1 older model with XP. I asked both if XP could be
installed on the Inspiron (and the HP DV line), and the answer was
no. Who is forcing whom here? Why should I have to settle for the
dregs of their lineup when I want the latest hardware, just to get
XP? For the record, I've reinstalled Vista, and hope to make it
work. Within 1 hour here's what's happened:
Windows Media Player wont play
Windows Explorer crashed twice trying to look at a photo
Norton 360 (which runs great on my XP desktop and is "Vista ready"
won't run.
The problem is that the Inspiron 1520/1521 is not sold in Dell Small
Business. The Vostro 1500is the small business model closest to the
Inspiron 1520/1521. It is the Business sections of the Dell website that
have Windows XP as an option without some calling/arguing with sales people.
In any case - Windows XP can be installed on it (by Dell or by the end user)
and all you have to know is that you can get the drivers for the hardware
for Windows XP from here:
http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?os=WW1&osl...
--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
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How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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Thank you so much for the link. I needed to get Vista off my 1521. Now
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DZigas
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:30 pm Post subject: Re: XP in a new Dell Laptop |
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Unless Dell has fixed them since last SEpt., the ones on their site for XP
and the 1521 are bad. I tried loading them and you get errors. I managed to
get the right ones -- just by luck -- from a tech at DEll. If you want, I'll
give them to youi.
"tantric_lover" wrote:
| Quote: | On Dec 5, 8:27 pm, Jeff D. <Jeff D...@discussions.microsoft.com
wrote:
Hey can I get those XP drivers from you? The ones off of Dell's website
don't do anything and i'm desperate to get XP working on my Inspiron 1521!
Thanks in advance,"DZigas" wrote:
Stanley -- I wanted to give you and other visitors to this chat board a heads
up -- the drivers at the Dell link you provide do NOT work for current model
Inspiron 1521 computers, even though the Dell site says they do. I tried
them, and get error messages and drivers that don't load.
I was about to return the computer to Dell (it wasn't running XP and Vista
isn't acceptable). One tech support guy suggested that the new Inspirons
aren't "compatible" w/ XP???!!!. Then I lucked into finding someone at Dell
who actually helped. He was the return agent I contacted, who just by
coincidence happened to be recently transferred from tech support. He and his
tech buddy found dell XP drivers that work w/ late model Inspirons, and he
gave them to me. The computer now runs normally. I will pass them along to
anyone interested.
Now, I ask anyone reading this: Is Dell incompetent? Unwilling to support XP
anymore? Or both? A very strange episode.
"Shenan Stanley" wrote:
DZigas wrote:
True, but only in a very restrictive sense. Both Dell and HP
offered 1 older model with XP. I asked both if XP could be
installed on the Inspiron (and the HP DV line), and the answer was
no. Who is forcing whom here? Why should I have to settle for the
dregs of their lineup when I want the latest hardware, just to get
XP? For the record, I've reinstalled Vista, and hope to make it
work. Within 1 hour here's what's happened:
Windows Media Player wont play
Windows Explorer crashed twice trying to look at a photo
Norton 360 (which runs great on my XP desktop and is "Vista ready"
won't run.
The problem is that the Inspiron 1520/1521 is not sold in Dell Small
Business. The Vostro 1500is the small business model closest to the
Inspiron 1520/1521. It is the Business sections of the Dell website that
have Windows XP as an option without some calling/arguing with sales people.
In any case - Windows XP can be installed on it (by Dell or by the end user)
and all you have to know is that you can get the drivers for the hardware
for Windows XP from here:
http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?os=WW1&osl...
--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
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How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Thank you so much for the link. I needed to get Vista off my 1521. Now
I have the drivers for XP! Woo Hoo.
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